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Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by perplex »

ivraatiems wrote: post #64

As a current iPhone SE user, here's my assessment: Pros: * Feature set in terms of processor, camera, etc., is exactly what I want * Continued presence of Touch ID is a huge plus, I don't like Face ID * Price point is, admittedly, fantastic Cons: * Lack of headphone jack is still unacceptable * Form factor is, candidly, still too big for my tiny hands * Color schemes aren't as nice as the SE's (can I contribute to CO…

> Lack of headphone jack is still unacceptable

Don't forget you can still use the lighting to 3.5mm adapter. It's no longer included free but at least it's available. Cost around $9.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by trhaynes »

outworlder wrote: post #579
wiremine wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Lack of headphone jack is still unacceptable I think I'm in the minority, but I haven't really missed the headphone jack in my iPhone 11. I have the Echo earbuds, and those have been good to great for my use cases. This continues to feel a bit like the 3.5 floppy and CD-ROM removals from the Mac: a lot of people hated it, until it was a nonissue.

> I think I'm in the minority, but I haven't really missed the headphone jack in my iPhone 11 You don't miss it until you do. When you are trying to join a meeting and your bluetooth headset absolutely refuses to work (and yes, even the fancy Airpods Pro do that occasionally), you wish you had the ability to just plug in an old-fashioned, analog headset. Which you can pull easily, with no fuss, from many devices, inc…

Would a lightning dongle still work in these situations?

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by dkonofalski »

vlunkr wrote: post #562
wiremine wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Lack of headphone jack is still unacceptable I think I'm in the minority, but I haven't really missed the headphone jack in my iPhone 11. I have the Echo earbuds, and those have been good to great for my use cases. This continues to feel a bit like the 3.5 floppy and CD-ROM removals from the Mac: a lot of people hated it, until it was a nonissue.

I don't think it's a good comparison for several reasons. 1) Those technologies were already not as heavily used when they were dropped. There are still tons of traditional headphones being manufactured and sold, even years after phones have started dropping them. 2) It's easy to leave an external drive at a desk for occasional use, it's much less convenient to carry a dongle everywhere since you likely want to use h…

If you're carrying headphones on the go, how much less convenient is it to carry those same headphones with the adapter on them? I would argue it's exactly the same level of convenience.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by wiremine »

vlunkr wrote: post #562
wiremine wrote: post #397

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Lack of headphone jack is still unacceptable I think I'm in the minority, but I haven't really missed the headphone jack in my iPhone 11. I have the Echo earbuds, and those have been good to great for my use cases. This continues to feel a bit like the 3.5 floppy and CD-ROM removals from the Mac: a lot of people hated it, until it was a nonissue.

I don't think it's a good comparison for several reasons. 1) Those technologies were already not as heavily used when they were dropped. There are still tons of traditional headphones being manufactured and sold, even years after phones have started dropping them. 2) It's easy to leave an external drive at a desk for occasional use, it's much less convenient to carry a dongle everywhere since you likely want to use h…

> Those technologies were already not as heavily used when they were dropped.

I'll give you it's not an apples-to-apples comparison, but having lived through all there events professionally, I can tell you that's not how it was perceived at the time. At least, not around my offices :-)

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by green-bottle »

Due to the planned obsolescence (via stoppage of security updates) of Android phones within 2 years I had been seriously been considering buying an iPhone SE2.

But I can't really justify myself buying it at the hefty price tag of $555 in India. (The extra $155 being added due to the high custom duties on imports in India.)

Salaries (at least for software developers) here being 1/4th of that of US developer salaries or lesser makes even the $400 price in US not quite easy to digest.

It seems I will be stuck with buying an Android One phone instead.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by AnonC »

sequoia wrote: post #578

According to this: https://www.apple.com/iphone/compare/?device1=iphoneSE2ndgen... This looks like basically the same phone as the 8 & the 6s. I own a 6s, I'm wondering what the advantage is to buying this phone rather than replacing the battery on my current phone. Hilariously, some of the changes between models seem to be mostly renaming features. 6s: HDR for photos 8: Auto HDR for photos SE: Next-generation Smart…

> I own a 6s, I'm wondering what the advantage is to buying this phone rather than replacing the battery on my current phone.

Your phone model has already gotten OS updates for about five years since launch. It’s possible that iOS 14 may not support iPhone 6S. If that happens to be the case, then getting a new phone makes sense just to have software support for the next five (or more) years.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by dkonofalski »

cptskippy wrote: post #228
reaperducer wrote: post #141

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can I contribute to COVID-19 research without getting a bright red phone? Yes. Write a check. Mail the check. Done.

Exactly. The entire point of the red phone is to shout at other people "look at me, I'm a good person because I supported a charity!" Apple doesn't offer low key signaling. You're either a brow beater or a stealth support of charity.

That's such a false dichotomy. You can want a red iPhone, want to support charity, and not be a brow beater. C'mon.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by Domenic_S »

spurgu wrote: post #468
colechristensen wrote: post #420

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As a 95th-percentile-sized human, the large phones have been quite appreciated, there is quite a lot of frustration when everything in the world is the wrong size, whatever your size. Now if we could do something about airline seats, sedans, and home furniture.

Agree kind of, although airline seats, sedans and furniture haven't been trending towards one end of the spectrum over a number of years. And I think it sounds like a reasonable idea to offer cars with swappable (or well-adjustable) seats. Airlines already offer seats with extra legroom, as well as business class depending on your needs. The first touch devices might've been around 3.5-4" (just guessing here) but the…

> airline seats, sedans and furniture haven't been trending towards one end of the spectrum over a number of years.

I beg to differ! Airlines have slowly crammed in more and more seats for years.

"Less legroom is now the industry norm. In the early-2000s, rows in economy used to be 34 inches (86 centimeters) to 35 inches apart; now 30 to 31 inches is typical, though 28 inches can be found on short flights, according to Washington D.C.-based advocacy group Flyers Rights. Seats have narrowed, too, from about 18.5 inches to 17 inches on average."

https://time.com/5636154/airplane-legroom-shrinking-asia/

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by draw_down »

DangerousPie wrote: post #186
ivraatiems wrote: post #64

As a current iPhone SE user, here's my assessment: Pros: * Feature set in terms of processor, camera, etc., is exactly what I want * Continued presence of Touch ID is a huge plus, I don't like Face ID * Price point is, admittedly, fantastic Cons: * Lack of headphone jack is still unacceptable * Form factor is, candidly, still too big for my tiny hands * Color schemes aren't as nice as the SE's (can I contribute to CO…

FWIW I thought I would miss TouchID for a long time until I finally bought a new iPhone and realised that FaceID actually worked much better than I expected. Yes there are some occasions where it doesn't work well (when you're trying to unlock the phone without looking at it properly) but there are also many occasions where it works much better. Most of the time my phone now unlocks so smoothly that I don't even real…

I don't agree, I've had a phone with Face ID for years now and I still often encounter situations where Touch ID would work better. It is easier/less awkward to unlock your phone with Touch ID in a wider variety of situations, because it does not require the phone to be both aimed at your face and close enough to your face.

Touch ID also doesn't have to use heuristics to "guess" if your face might be in front of the phone so that it should look for your face to unlock. The presence of the thumb/finger is the signal.

I also prefer the phone to have a home button than not to have one. Missing the home button made other buttons' functions overloaded, so now I often inadvertently trigger Apple Pay by double-clicking the side button when I didn't mean to.

Basically, I think there are a number of subtle UX regressions that they introduced when they made this change, and it wasn't really worth it. It's not a disaster, just a series of minor annoyances that I'd prefer to do without.

Re: New iPhone SE

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Post by Tepix »

ivraatiems wrote: post #64

As a current iPhone SE user, here's my assessment: Pros: * Feature set in terms of processor, camera, etc., is exactly what I want * Continued presence of Touch ID is a huge plus, I don't like Face ID * Price point is, admittedly, fantastic Cons: * Lack of headphone jack is still unacceptable * Form factor is, candidly, still too big for my tiny hands * Color schemes aren't as nice as the SE's (can I contribute to CO…

Regarding the price point being fantastic - that may be true for an iPhone but not for smartphones in general. For 480€ i can get a pretty high end Xiaomi phone for example. Or three very decent Xiaomi A3 phones with multiple cameras and an OLED screen.
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