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Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by tommica »

james_s_tayler wrote: post #582
ss3000 wrote: post #563

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All I really want is to hear an explanation from Nat Friedman, CEO of GitHub, the human being, who said he wouldn't pull resources away from Atom development and then evidently did so soon after, to end all this needless speculation once and for all (and what you've suggested in your comment is still speculation, however plausible it might seem to you). It offers very little solace to the few Atom users still hanging…

Sometimes my wife wants an explanation from me the human being who said he would take the trash out but then never did.

Then maybe you should own up to the consequences of the choice you made and explain your reasoning for not fulfilling the promise that you made.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by MrStonedOne »

yellowapple wrote: post #549
compscistd wrote: post #277

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If it was the bad words/slurs, could that have been resolved by hiding them behind some basic string manipulation (ex. a caesar cipher)? I can see how GitHub wouldn't want a public repo to have objectionable words, but can't imagine the harm from obfuscating stored copy.

> I can see how GitHub wouldn't want a public repo to have objectionable words I can't. Does GitHub really have nothing better to do than to play nanny cop because I used a naughty word in my code? Are brainfuck interpreters now off-limits? How about drivers for teledildonics hardware? Or libraries specifically for detecting and filtering swear words? Or maybe I just want to vent a bit in a comment every once in awhi…

We named our meatballs a old british name.

This was why we got nuked.

If only we knew that 4 days ago when we first got banned, and not, well, 4 days later.

The issue is github works by report only.

You can do what ever you want in a github repo, but if you make a video game on github, and ban the wrong person, they can just go through your repo and look for ToS violations to troll you.

We are literally removing the in game chat word filter for the n word out of fear it could be used to git us banned again by somebody else mad their buggy pr got rejected or their character got banned in game for breaking the server rules

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by nemacol »

This is great and I will most likely take advantage of this new offering, but I cant help but wonder why.

"everyone deserves GitHub" is marketing, not a corporate strategy.

How does GitHub stand to benefit from this change? How does more non-paying users help the company?

I am not trying to be a tinfoil hat jerk here. Life in the age of information has taught us all that (again) "nothing is free". So what am I paying here?

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by sneak »

quadrangle wrote: post #507
ghshephard wrote: post #465

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The question of whether you are a monopoly is really important. Once effectively everybody is using your platform, there are restrictions on your behavior. Being the category leader is very different than being a monopoly. And, note, that there is, and obviously wouldn't be, a law against a monopolist giving it's monopoly product away for free - That's kind of like anti-leveraging. Look at this from a different persp…

EEE strategy doesn't require starting out as a monopoly, it's just that it's easier if you're already a monopoly. One could argue that EEE is a strategy to gain monopoly status. Microsoft does NOT have a monopoly in this space currently, but perhaps they want to get one (but only in practice, not quite legally recognized as one). I see nothing wrong with bringing up EEE before it happens. Which scenario is more likel…

GitHub’s danger is that it is centralized, not that it is closed source. For example, npm is already open source and Microsoft owning it is still a threat to the ecosystem via their ability to control the software and decide what goes in and what does not.

Microsoft could open source GitHub and it wouldn’t make one bit of difference to their strategy, as it would not pose any danger to GitHub’s defaultness.

Gitea implementing a federated mentions model, plus easy cross-instance linking and federated notifications, plus one-click $5/mo hosted instances on a bring-your-own-domain model would, however.

I am beginning to think we need something along the lines of go modules for the javascript world. Cryptographically assured via merkle hash root, fetchable from any url with a standard protocol, and a public caching proxy. Go got it right, rubygems/pypi/npm most assuredly did not. (To be fair, go modules were designed latest of all of the members of that list, giving them the benefit of hindsight.)

Maybe yarn can go this route ifwhen npm breaks fetch for non-first party tools.

I wonder what would be involved in forking npm (the hosted package repository, not the cli tool).

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by specialist »

jedieaston wrote: post #306
specialist wrote: post #34

What safe guards are in place to prevent Microsoft from using GitHub to glean competitive intelligence? Just like Facebook used Onavo. https://www.wsj.com/articles/facebooks-onavo-gives-social-me...

The same safeguards that are in place on Azure (which is used by 99% of Fortune 500s for either Office 365 or cloud stuff), which is to say, ethics, and the fact that if they tried it once most of those companies would reduce their spend with Microsoft immediately. Not to mention the government contracts.

Isn't that exactly what's already happening? [0]

We got a sales call (seminar) from elastic.co. Despite all the positives, it was a hard value proposition. Why would we switch from Amazon's offering? For us noobs, elastic.co wasn't enough better to entice us to switch.

AWS is clearly scooping up the vast majority of users with their "good enough" offering. (I assume Azure, GCP, do the same.) I'm not saying it's right or wrong. I'm just saying it happens. And now Microsoft has much better forward looking intel.

I've been chewing on this ever since. Feels just like the 90s. I used to write AutoCAD add-ons. We third party developers knew in our bones that eventually Autodesk would steal our lunch money.

FWIW, I closed my personal repos on GitHub, in case any of my wares some day become popular.

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[0] Amazon Has Gone From Neutral Platform to Cutthroat Competitor, Say Open Source Developers

Community leaders say AWS increasingly poses an existential threat

https://onezero.medium.com/open-source-betrayed-industry-lea...

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by frosted-flakes »

sytelus wrote: post #542
nrr wrote: post #451

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I appreciate the idealism here, but the reality is that trying to run a business under the pretense of free speech absolutism can alienate an otherwise profitable market segment. With the loss of that market segment likely comes the grumbling of investors, to whom ultimately the executive management is beholden. Grumbly investors beget grumbly board members, who then vote to oust executives to correct the profitabili…

You making the argument that to make some religious customers/investors happy, it's ok to mistreat LGBTs. After all, they are such minority segment and, you know, we are all here just for shareholder wealth maximization.

Where did GP make that argument?

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by zentiggr »

ketralnis wrote: post #70
zentiggr wrote: post #49

Does anyone remember the arbitrary actions GitHub has taken in the past few months and all the "maybe it's time to start leaving GitHub if you want to avoid getting your repositories permanently deleted?" Or is HN just as susceptible to the narrow news horizon?

Or maybe different people have different needs and HN isn't a single cohesive hive mind

Fair enough... Hence also why Google have plenty of Apps users etc even though they have a long track record of dropping even popular products at their whim.

Thanks for reminding me that it really is to each their own, and good luck to you on your path.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by frosted-flakes »

pc86 wrote: post #314
AlphaWeaver wrote: post #140

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Whoa, wanted to jump in here! SS13 is, in my opinion, one of the best games of all time when it runs well. Not very many people know about it. I worry about the community dying and losing my favorite game, but have taken solace in the fact that the source will always be publicly available. If it was banned from GitHub, that's a major problem.

Is it? There are several GitHub alternatives, many completely free as well, and none of the source was lost unless all the maintainers and contributors also delete their local copies.

The alternatives don't have the mindshare that GitHub has when it comes to open source software. If the community around the game is already weak, moving to another provider will likely weaken it even more. The source won't be gone, but that's only half of what matters.

Re: GitHub is now free for teams

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Post by dijit »

MrStonedOne wrote: post #592
yellowapple wrote: post #549

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I can see how GitHub wouldn't want a public repo to have objectionable words I can't. Does GitHub really have nothing better to do than to play nanny cop because I used a naughty word in my code? Are brainfuck interpreters now off-limits? How about drivers for teledildonics hardware? Or libraries specifically for detecting and filtering swear words? Or maybe I just want to vent a bit in a comment every once in awhi…

We named our meatballs a old british name. This was why we got nuked. If only we knew that 4 days ago when we first got banned, and not, well, 4 days later. The issue is github works by report only. You can do what ever you want in a github repo, but if you make a video game on github, and ban the wrong person, they can just go through your repo and look for ToS violations to troll you. We are literally removing the…

Blisteringly arrogant of a US company to police the language of another natively english speaking country.

This is not the Scunthorpe problem, this is a culture one.

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