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The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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Re: The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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Post by dkonofalski »

blt wrote: post #504
dkonofalski wrote: post #380

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I agree that Gruber is wrong but only in his details. The iPad should have been much more than it is and, although I have seen it revolutionize the way that many field workers are able to do their jobs, I still think it could have been more. On another note, I also agree with the sentiment that people should try to force themselves to use it for a bit. I used to work for a company that did corporate software/hardware…

I like your point about field workers. The iPad is a great replacement for a clipboard with a multi-page form.

Yeah... one of the things I'm leading in my org is the changeover from paper forms and surveys for field workers to completely digital forms with automations for recording, reporting, and email. It's seriously been a game-changer for some groups.

Re: The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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Post by ASalazarMX »

CarlRJ wrote: post #495
ASalazarMX wrote: post #382

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The Apple watch case is infuriating. Since the new series 5 is a very minor incremental upgrade from the 4, they discontinued the latter, but still sell the 3. This way the comparison table between 3 and 5 make it seem like the 5 was a bigger improvement.

That's not their reason for discontinuing it though - there's no reason for them to sell the 3, 4, and 5. Probably retooled the 4's assembly line to make 5's.

So, you think it's normal for say, car companies, to sell the 2020 and 2018 models, but not the 2019?

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Post by wlesieutre »

LeifCarrotson wrote: post #503
wlesieutre wrote: post #251

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I don't think that would be a good solution, you'd have yet another oddball charging widget and if you didn't bring it with you everywhere the battery would die and you couldn't recharge it. If anything, I'd rather they put the charging hardware in the front bezel somewhere, since that's already flat. Not a good place for storage or for charging the pencil while the iPad is in use, but at least you wouldn't get stran…

That depends where your "everywhere" is. I (like a lot of people) work at the same desk every day, and I trust the battery would last if I brought the device home or to a conference or something. Or I could get/bring a spare charge dock.

Charging daily works until you forget to charge it one day at home, bring it in to work, and it dies before lunch. Or the other way if you keep the charger at work, forget to charge it one day, and it dies that evening at home.

I have a second Apple Watch charger at work (albeit a cheaper 3rd party one) for that exact reason. I don't typically need it, but if I forget to charge the watch some evening and realize that it's at 10% when I get to work the next morning, backup charger is handy. Wouldn't want to lose this Move streak!

Sure, I could get a spare charger for a second-gen Pencil too, but it would be a downgrade from the first-gen Lightning charging which doesn't need anything extra.

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Post by [deleted] »

telesilla wrote: post #561
TheKarateKid wrote: post #508

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> “Developers will always surprise us, they will come up with use cases for us." Well, they did. iPads are now replacing POS registers and kiosks. Although a part of me dies when I see iPad Pros being used for this, because it’s so powerful and capable yet being used as a big touch monitor.

Same for musicians: many of us have an iPad for displaying scores due the superiority of the screen legibility in varying environments, and app support. I use mine almost exclusively for piano scores - I couldn't live without it. Doubling as a Netflix host on flights is a bonus.

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Re: The iPad Awkwardly Turns 10

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Post by farisjarrah »

Polylactic_acid wrote: post #522
nwallin wrote: post #514

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I use an old shitty netbook for this. I prefer that to my Nexus ... 7? tablet for three primary reasons. The screen naturally holds itself at whatever angle I set it. If I'm just casually watching a video in bed, I can put my hands back under the covers where it's warm. It has a keyboard. So the other half of the time, when I'm interacting with the machine in a meaningful way, input is way easier. There's an entire o…

I had the 2012 nexus 7 when I was in school and I loved it. Used it all the time for just about everything including insane use cases like programming. Then I got my first phone in about 2014 and didn't really have much of a use for the n7. Its just like a phone only slightly bigger but less portable and no 4g. Since then I haven't been interested in a new tablet and it looks like the entire Android tablet scene died…

Its a real shame the android tablet ecosystem has all but died. Android is better these days then its ever been. Highly customizable, you can use the firefox browser with uBlock origin, excellent 3rd party password manager support(much better then iPad). You also have a really nice open-source app eco system. Apps like Termux make it possible for me to basically do my DevOps job from anywhere in the world with a portable folding keyboard. Android functionality is awesome these days compared to iOS. Even the split screen functionality on my Pixel 2 is great compared to my iPad.

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Post by acqq »

Stratoscope wrote: post #548
icebraining wrote: post #113

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Not just Steve Jobs: the development of the Apple Newton (arguably the precursor to the iPad) was in part led by Larry "NO MODES" Tesler: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larry_Tesler http://www.nomodes.com/

Here is Larry's 1981 BYTE article about modes, complete with a "DON'T MODE ME IN" T-shirt made by a mutual friend: https://archive.org/details/byte-magazine-1981-08/page/n103/...

Thank you. It's a big article, it starts on the page 90 and ends on 147(!) there. Also, the article is from 1981 and Tesler already works for Apple, as seen on the first page.

To compare with the article date, Apple Lisa was released January 19, 1983 (and, by the way, Macintosh January 1984, iPhone January 2007, iPad January 2010 -- Jobs certainly had a system).

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Post by Teckla »

simonh wrote: post #430
Fiahil wrote: post #269

I completely agree with this article. The iPad hardware is absolutely wonderful, it's light, gorgeous and powerful. I got the latest iPad pro to watch Netflix in bed and it fills that purpose completely. However, the OS running on the machine is bad. Very bad. The multitasking is horrifying. The Files app is unusable (especially if you want to access your files from an FTP server). You have to use your finger to sele…

All of those are either kind of ‘eh’, or have decent workarounds, or aren’t even valid at all. There are plenty of ftp client and server apps that work absolutely fine, I don’t even know what your talking about on that front. Please don’t add a mouse cursor to iOS, No! I find the new cut n paste stuff outstanding. There are a range of decent screen sharing, presentation and touchpad apps. There’s a decent free Gmail…

Please don’t add a mouse cursor to iOS, No!

I assume you're talking about iPadOS.

I use the new mouse support in iPadOS all the time, and absolutely love it when I'm using my iPad like it's a laptop computer at my desk. It's so much more comfortable and ergonomic than constantly reaching up and pawing at the screen.

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Post by dmd »

gumby wrote: post #586
telesilla wrote: post #561

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Same for musicians: many of us have an iPad for displaying scores due the superiority of the screen legibility in varying environments, and app support. I use mine almost exclusively for piano scores - I couldn't live without it. Doubling as a Netflix host on flights is a bonus.

Definitely, but I like to write on my scores which I can’t do on my iPad. The big iPad Pro made a difference here too. The older iPads so t get enough music on the screen.

> but I like to write on my scores which I can’t do on my iPad.

What? Annotating scores is a main use for me. I do it constantly. It's something the ipad is great at.

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Post by tonymontainya »

schuke wrote: post #505
jarjoura wrote: post #480

As someone who worked on the iPad v1, I can tell you, it was a product built in search of a problem. It was going to compete against the, then, growing Netbook market. Steve Jobs thought Windows was going to win that market and hastily threw a team together to answer for it. However, during several all-hands, no one except SJ seemed even remotely excited about the product. "These things will probably sell in the educ…

My mother had been vowing to learn to use a computer for more than a decade before the iPad. Of course she was never able to turn one on. But when she had an iPad she just kept using it.

This is something I've noticed. People in my life who don't "work" with computers—as in their primary use for a computer is to consume media—love their iPads.

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Post by nwallin »

farisjarrah wrote: post #595
Polylactic_acid wrote: post #522

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I had the 2012 nexus 7 when I was in school and I loved it. Used it all the time for just about everything including insane use cases like programming. Then I got my first phone in about 2014 and didn't really have much of a use for the n7. Its just like a phone only slightly bigger but less portable and no 4g. Since then I haven't been interested in a new tablet and it looks like the entire Android tablet scene died…

Its a real shame the android tablet ecosystem has all but died. Android is better these days then its ever been. Highly customizable, you can use the firefox browser with uBlock origin, excellent 3rd party password manager support(much better then iPad). You also have a really nice open-source app eco system. Apps like Termux make it possible for me to basically do my DevOps job from anywhere in the world with a port…

I think the problem is that even the best tablet is worse than a cheap shitty netbook. Shitty netbooks can be had for $200. The fancy shmancy backwards folding ones, (into a tablet form factor) aren't that much more.

You know what's better than termux? OpenSSH, tmux, a proper term, a proper tiling WM, in X.org. Or Wayland or screen if that's your thing I don't judge.

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