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Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by radium3d »

rkagerer wrote: post #425
radium3d wrote: post #403

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The wipers wipe automatically when the camera detects rain on the windshield. If you want to do a window clean you just push the button on the end of the blinker handle on the left of the steering wheel. It's one of the few physical buttons of the 3.

How often do you find yourself wanting to tweak the rate?

Rate is set automatically based on the amount of rain. The wiper clears the windshield for the cameras for autopilot so it keeps the view clear. I haven't had the urge to adjust the rate yet.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by radium3d »

the_angry_angel wrote: post #426
radium3d wrote: post #403

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The wipers wipe automatically when the camera detects rain on the windshield. If you want to do a window clean you just push the button on the end of the blinker handle on the left of the steering wheel. It's one of the few physical buttons of the 3.

How well does the auto wipe behave on Tesla’s? I’ve owned multiple cars with the feature over the last 10 years - the only one which has ever got it close was a Lexus (quite some time ago). The rest I’ve had and still need to constantly police.

It's behaved very well for me. There was only one instance when I was in a drive thru that it wiped the window even though it was dry, not sure if it was because the angle of the sunlight hitting some dirt or something.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by radium3d »

jmpman wrote: post #556
radium3d wrote: post #403

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The wipers wipe automatically when the camera detects rain on the windshield. If you want to do a window clean you just push the button on the end of the blinker handle on the left of the steering wheel. It's one of the few physical buttons of the 3.

They also automatically turn on in the car wash.

v10 added car wash mode, maybe this is the reason

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by herewego »

whenchamenia wrote: post #566
herewego wrote: post #537

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Like in any modern analog car, the knobs are free spinning and therefore remember their settings. It’s a tactile version of tapping a screen that is a better UX IMHO. When my significant other uses my car, they hit #2 on the preset settings and everything slides and turns into place. This is a well solved problem and has been for many years. Note: I am a former P85D Model S owner.

Free spinning knobs are not analog, but digital encoders.

“relating to or using signals or information represented by a continuously variable physical quantity such as spatial position, voltage, etc.” - from our friends at Oxford.

https://www.lexico.com/en/definition/analog

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by moduspol »

herewego wrote: post #590
moduspol wrote: post #568

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> the Tesla only has a touchscreen for interfacing with the vast majority of the vehicle's functions False. There are voice controls, buttons on the steering wheel, the steering wheel itself, pedals, pedestals (for turn signals like other cars), etc. Even autopilot's functionality doesn't require the screen (or touching it). > music browsing, imperfect automated climate control settings, navigation, insane/ludicrous…

First, you are quoting something that I did not say. Second, I disagree that the items I listed are all a good experience using the mechanisms you highlighted and aren’t an important part of the driving experience; they are indeed “critical” (quoting your mis-quote) to the UX that leads to the choice of vehicle for myself and many others. It is disingenuous to reduce the argument down to basic controls required for v…

> You can not drive a Tesla without using the touchscreen on an almost constant basis.

There's your quote, verbatim, and it's false. If you don't want to get called out for verifiably false statements, I'd avoid making them in the future.

> The last thing I’ll say is this: I think it’s unfortunate that you are so invested in defending your position at all costs that you are unable to separate the argument from passive-aggressive personal attacks.

Responding to factual inaccuracies is hardly "defending a position at all costs," but I'm sorry if it got you worked up.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by radium3d »

kerkeslager wrote: post #582
radium3d wrote: post #380

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Tesla 3 owner here. Beyond tapping up / down temperature arrows I don't ever need to touch my A/C settings and it remembers my settings when I pick my profile (and soon it will recognize me automatically) so I think it's less annoying than analog setup personally.

Okay, but you're only looking at the (very minor) difference in user experience, without looking at all you're giving up. How easy is it to repair your A/C? If you can't or don't want to repair it yourself, can you hire someone other than Tesla to do it? Is not having to turn a knob worth having your car collect a bunch of personal data on you? In accordance with Parkinson's Law of Triviality[1], the only discussion…

Another user mentioned the Bollinger brand, they are making their EV's completely analog -- even more analog than ICE cars, their philosophy may be right up your alley. Unfortunately it doesn't sound like they're going for mass market (yet).

You should also look into how the A/C system works on the model 3, it's fascinating how simple it really is. It literally uses air to push the air up and down. This reduces the complexity with less moving parts. It's a very genius system IMO. Tech Forum YouTube channel made a video of it disassembled so you can see how it works: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvNkcPcrBxw

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by bredren »

mulcahey wrote: post #421
bredren wrote: post #385

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Do you recall exactly when? I suspect this video cost almost zero to make. Would be curious to see the changeover. Was it addressed / highlighted at the time?

Around July when they hired one Adam Koszary https://twitter.com/AdamKoszary/status/1130837644827660289?s... He apparently got hired because Elon likes his "absolute unit" sheep meme. https://www.businessinsider.com/tesla-hires-social-media-man... Their twitter has been a lot more whimsical since. For example: https://twitter.com/Tesla/status/1175048579829944320

This looked like a fan made video, and I started to speculate in my comment that it was somebody that Elon liked, possibly emailed with occasionally so this is no surprise. Actually thought that kind of speculation we get down voted

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by kabes »

xedeon wrote: post #488
kabes wrote: post #475

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It goes both ways. Tesla, just like Apple, has kind of a hype around which polarizes discussions in both ways. While some people criticize them too much I don't understand how they get away with the $6000 scam the FSD kit is. I don't think a less hyped brand would get away that.

> I don't understand how they get away with the $6000 scam the FSD kit is. I don't think a less hyped brand would get away that. This is exactly the kind of vitriol I was talking about... "FSD" now has Navigate on Autopilot, Smart Summon (with v10 it now comes to YOU! https://youtu.be/9cuJATedvDk a Tesla exclusive feature?) Autopark and Auto Lane Change. If you option these on other similarly priced cars, the bundle…

If you option these on other cars they don't promise you a full self driving car, you get exactly what you pay for. Smart summon and friends are, to me, nothing more than fun gimmicks. The promise of FSD is well... full self driving, to which they have missed every deadline so far and they will very likely not reach it within the lifetime of the current generation teslas. So if you pay $6000 on the promise of getting a full self driving car and you never get it, how is that not a scam?

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by otterley »

xeromal wrote: post #581
otterley wrote: post #550

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This problem was solved over a decade ago with memorized seating positions tied to the key fob. It wouldn’t have been too much of a stretch (pun not intended!) to memorize and set the temperature alongside the other settings using the existing system.

That's literally what the tesla does. You tie a profile to a key, card, or phone.

Right - I meant that it can also be accomplished with an old-school analog system, too. It doesn't require a tablet-based system like Tesla's as a baseline.

Re: Tesla Software Version 10.0

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Post by chris11 »

cromka wrote: post #387
kerkeslager wrote: post #355

I want a well-put-together electric car that's completely analog from the user's perspective . There's not a single user-facing digital feature I've ever seen on a car that I wanted, and in fact most of them make things worse. Obviously there's some non-user-facing stuff, i.e. all-wheel-drive, which computerization has revolutionized. But any user-facing stuff is just awful. I want an electric car, but I don't want t…

It's funny cause I used to have the same opinion, but then I saw the new Porsche Taycan and now I think Tesla is still very modest in comparison. And then you have companies like Mazda who actually advocate the return of analog control (mentioned in another comment here).

The Taycan looks really cool, but it starts at 150k. And Tesla has autopilot. Tesla Model S is a fast car, but's also marketed to buyers who probably would not want to pay 150k+ for a Porsche.
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