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Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by fmajid »

lucisferre wrote: post #541
Zelphyr wrote: post #533

For the first time ever I feel like I just wasted my time watching an Apple product announcement. I'm not saying those products are bad or are poorly engineered or anything like that. I'm just saying the products they showed off today aren't anything I would want. I have an iPhone 7 Plus and comparing it to the iPhone 11 versions I don't see anything in the latter that I'd upgrade for. The best I could come up with w…

This is a very routine reply around here to every new iPhone announcement. Would you perhaps be able to elaborate on the features or improvements you did want to see but didn't? I mean I have an iPhone 8 and what I see are: - An edge-to-edge screen - Longer battery life - Faster processors - Improved cameras (don't care much myself but it is still improved) - FaceID - Updated Wifi and LTE technologies (not sure how m…

I'm still on my iPhone 6, and I am not going to get the 11 either, in fact I have been dabbling with LineageOS on a Xiaomi Pocophone F1 as a second travel phone.

What would make me "upgrade" (not sure if I can really call that an upgrade in the absence of a headphone port).

Must-haves:

1. USB-C

2. 5G support using a single-chip like the Qualcomm Snapdragon X55 baseband chipset (not a separate 4g and 5G chip as with the X50)

3. No more stupid notch

Nice to have:

4. Some sort of anti-slip ridges or grip milled into the casework

5. Getting TouchID back

6. No more stupid lens bump

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by asciimov »

Zelphyr wrote: post #533

For the first time ever I feel like I just wasted my time watching an Apple product announcement. I'm not saying those products are bad or are poorly engineered or anything like that. I'm just saying the products they showed off today aren't anything I would want. I have an iPhone 7 Plus and comparing it to the iPhone 11 versions I don't see anything in the latter that I'd upgrade for. The best I could come up with w…

I wholeheartedly agree. Their problem is in multiple areas: product, design, and presentation.

First and most noticeably they no long have a "master of ceremony" someone that is not only excited by the products but also enthusiastic to show them off to you. This is exemplified with no more "One More thing..."

Second, their designs are old and tired. I don't know if Ive ran out of Braun/Rams designs to borrow from or if the execs fear any major design changes, but Apple has become too comfortable with their design language and unfortunately they are starting to show a lack of taste (looking at you over-sized camera bump)

Third, the products have matured. Apple hasn't really done anything new or exciting with their lineup. Gone are the days you expected to see a new product that is lifestyle changing. Now days you might see a spec bump, or a change in product to make it thinner, but nothing that really stands out as "Wow I've gotta have that". The thing I remember most from the last two announcements were features targeting "influencers" - Animoji's and "Slofies".

Finally, I don't feel apple understands the waning in their product appeal. Be it on price or function, I see a lot less Apple products at coffee shops and colleges these days.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by elsonrodriguez »

seppin wrote: post #345
jl6 wrote: post #86

This thread needs to lighten up. The 11 is an incremental improvement - is that so wrong? Who still upgrades their phone every year anyway? I bought my iPhone 8 two years ago thinking of it as a 5 year investment.

> This thread needs to lighten up. Tagline for HN in general.

Could you elaborate on this? It's not that I doubt what you're saying, but some studies would be nice.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by blueline »

driverdan wrote: post #576
prewett wrote: post #401

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I read the announcement and was pretty impressed: - 20% faster processor - 4 - 5 hrs better battery life - 30% faster FaceID (I don't know how slow the previous one was, but I know the speed difference between the TouchID on my iPad Mini 3 and my iPhone 7 makes me love it on the latter and never use it on the former) - 2000000:1 contrast ratio (!!) - wide angle and "telephoto" lenses, plus 4k video support, and bette…

> plus 4k video support iPhones don't already support 4k video? Good Android phones have had 4k cameras for years. > Dual SIM cards (a must for the Asian market) Obviously not a must if they're only adding dual SIMs now.

>iPhones don't already support 4k video?

they do

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by rrdharan »

rconti wrote: post #431
jsgo wrote: post #93

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honestly, the XS/XR one was the same for me. I have an iPhone X and there was zero temptation to upgrade to XS/XR and a meh amount to the 11/11 Pro (11R/11S). I think phone advancement cycles have hit a point where I'm kind of underwhelmed from everyone and that's fine. I just want Apple to come out with one using USB-C instead of Lightning (to match iPad Pro and MacBook Pro and being able to rid myself of my lightni…

Same. I bought a 7+ when my 6 died, and I hated every minute with that phone. My X is, IMO, the best iPhone I've ever owned, and have no real desire to upgrade. Usually I upgrade every 2 years, on the "S" cycle (the 6 was an aberration), as I cared more about performance than having the latest 'look' phone. This is probably the first time I haven't felt the hankering at the 2 year mark.

Yep, I've got an iPhone X and feel like it's fine for another year. Although the battery life improvements are supposed to be notable? Personally the next big thing I'm waiting for is USB-C so iPhone 12 it is...

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by dahdum »

viraptor wrote: post #507
prewett wrote: post #401

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I read the announcement and was pretty impressed: - 20% faster processor - 4 - 5 hrs better battery life - 30% faster FaceID (I don't know how slow the previous one was, but I know the speed difference between the TouchID on my iPad Mini 3 and my iPhone 7 makes me love it on the latter and never use it on the former) - 2000000:1 contrast ratio (!!) - wide angle and "telephoto" lenses, plus 4k video support, and bette…

> Dual SIM cards (a must for the Asian market) Haven't heard of that. Why is it a must?

Dual SIM is amazing for travel, and the only reason I upgraded to the Xs last year. I put Verizon on the eSIM and then use prepaid/travel SIMs in the physical port.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by jboy55 »

Zelphyr wrote: post #547
lucisferre wrote: post #541

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a very routine reply around here to every new iPhone announcement. Would you perhaps be able to elaborate on the features or improvements you did want to see but didn't? I mean I have an iPhone 8 and what I see are: - An edge-to-edge screen - Longer battery life - Faster processors - Improved cameras (don't care much myself but it is still improved) - FaceID - Updated Wifi and LTE technologies (not sure how m…

I honestly can't put my finger on it. All those features you listed are great but none of them make me WANT that device. I used to want the new product they announced as soon as they showed it off. Maybe when I hold one in my hands that will change.

I can put my finger on it, literally, I love the fingerprint sensor for Apple Pay. I see my wife trying to use face-id for it and it seems very convoluted. Until someone shows me a simple a gesture as holding out my phone with my thumb on the fingerprint sensor, I don't have any want for a replacement for my 8.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by neogodless »

movedx wrote: post #525
neogodless wrote: post #170

It's been clear for quite some time that terms like "Extreme", "Pro" and "Max" are marketing terms. They are not accurate classifications of how they will be used. If people feel strongly enough that the name is not accurate, they will have to buy a competing product that fulfills their needs at the price they are willing to pay. I suppose what would be interesting, but highly proprietary, would be Apple's marketing…

> All that being said, I personally have never bought from Apple, and think the $150 upgrade cost is ridiculous (not to mention the $300 jump from the XR, which is still $300 more than I paid for my Pixel)! So I could say the "Pro" marketing isn't working on me! But overall, they aren't hurting for customers. I love it when people complain about the prices Apple charge, especially given the experiences I've had with…

So, you have very expensive insurance?

As it turns out, I've never destroyed any of my own phones, so I saved $300 every two years since I started buying smart phones 12 years ago. So $1800. If my phone gets submerged and Google won't replace it, I guess I'll have to buy another phone with my $1800 budget!

Also, when I got my Pixel 3, the back had some waves in the paint. It literally did not matter at all, because I put a case on it, and it couldn't affect functionality at all, but I told them I wasn't happy, and they shipped a new one that did not have the cosmetic imperfections. Try that with your iPhone! Oh yeah, it would probably work.

shrug This isn't a competition. Just be smart with your money (or do with your money as you choose, whether someone else thinks it smart or not!)

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by qubitcoder »

driverdan wrote: post #576
prewett wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I read the announcement and was pretty impressed: - 20% faster processor - 4 - 5 hrs better battery life - 30% faster FaceID (I don't know how slow the previous one was, but I know the speed difference between the TouchID on my iPad Mini 3 and my iPhone 7 makes me love it on the latter and never use it on the former) - 2000000:1 contrast ratio (!!) - wide angle and "telephoto" lenses, plus 4k video support, and bette…

> plus 4k video support iPhones don't already support 4k video? Good Android phones have had 4k cameras for years. > Dual SIM cards (a must for the Asian market) Obviously not a must if they're only adding dual SIMs now.

It's 4k at 60fps with extended dynamic range. If you've experienced HDR/wider color gamuts, then you'll appreciate the distinction.

Re: iPhone 11 Pro and iPhone 11 Pro Max

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Post by dkonofalski »

BubRoss wrote: post #348
Swizec wrote: post #334

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Pro photographers that make bank by being instagram influencers will be all over the iPhone Pro. This will completely upend the vlogging industry too. I vlog with a DSLR and even with an iPhone X most people can’t tell when I use footage from that (running with a dslr is hard, for example). iPhone Pro likely makes better video than my T6i Rebel in many situations. Depth of field is usually where DSLRs shine

Why? Why wouldn't anyone with more than a passing interest in photography buy a dedicated camera for much less money that will work much better?

It's not less money, though. I can buy a telephoto, wide angle, and super wide lens and not have any money left over if my budget is the cost of an iPhone. The point isn't that the phone can replace those things in every situation it's that it's so good that it's more than good enough to replace those things for a significant percentage of the times I need them.

Case in point, I have an iPhone X and a DSLR with all of the above lenses and the camera kit + lenses were more expensive than the new iPhone and I probably would use them less.

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