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U.S. Changes Visa Process for High-Skilled Workers

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Post by zjaffee »

travisoneill1 wrote: post #320
zjaffee wrote: post #228

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This would weirdly exert a greater downward pressure on salaries, as companies will have a higher supply of higher skill workers rather than just workers as a whole.

How would this be a greater downward pressure than now where H1B's are used to undercut?

Right now H1B are equally exerting downward pressure on salaries at the top, middle, and bottom of the market. Salaries then in turn are falling by a relatively equal amount for everyone. If it is only targeted at the top, that hurts the ceiling for with people in the industry can earn.

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Post by simplecomplex »

arcticbull wrote: post #587
simplecomplex wrote: post #584

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> country has the right to determine what kind of immigrants it prefers Yeah, obviously. You prefer we discriminate based on college education. Why? Don’t people without masters degrees deserve equal treatment? Equal opportunity? > The country shouldn’t take in for employment a bunch of people it doesn’t need should it? The country isn’t a person. If a company wants to hire someone, then obviously they do “need” them…

College education is a proxy for knowledge and skills of value, however the green card system (not sure if it applies to H1s) provides an equivalence when assigning preferences. EB3 is a bachelors degree or 5 years work experience, and an EB2 preference is a masters or a bachelors + 5 years or 10 years work experience. I don’t necessarily believe caps are valuable on immigration but given that we’re working within a…

> shouldn’t we prioritize on skill instead of using a lottery

Why? It's not a prioritization based on employer needs or what employers want. Obviously if one has a degree they enjoy being a protected class, and if they don't have a degree they don't like being discriminated against. At least a lottery gave equal opportunity.

I also want to point out that this policy is not what companies want. They want the removal of sponsorship requirements and quotas. They generally want to be free to hire who they want.

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Post by alephx »

raz32dust wrote: post #338
fxfan wrote: post #306

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I don't see what you added to my comment. I already said diversity of ideas and background is good- diversity purely based on color to make a star trek movie is not.

Racial diversity is a proxy to background/idea diversity since different races come from different backgrounds and have different ideas of reality. Organizations are pushing all kinds of diversity, not just one based on color. Race just happens to be easy to measure. That doesn't make it wrong, it is somewhat in the right direction though it might not be optimal.

This is the most racist thing I have read today. Different races come from different backgrounds and have different ideas of reality? I think you meant different cultures which is a VERY different thing from race.

Either way, why use a proxy and not the real thing: idea diversity. Then what you propose is laziness at best.

Also, what do you mean by right direction? Diversity of ideas means diversity of goals right?

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Post by arcticbull »

godelmachine wrote: post #583
arcticbull wrote: post #569

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“Parents can later leverage the citizenship of their progeny to gain theirs.” No, they can’t - not in anything resembling a reasonable timeframe. The only benefit they gain is the ability to have their child sponsor them once they are adults. It takes 18 years to become an adult, 1 year to petition for a green card and 5 years to get citizenship for a bare minimum of 24 years. I said 27 because I used 21 years of age…

>> You didn’t read the article I sent you, you bragged about it, and you’re still wrong. I don’t respond to people who make preposterous assumptions about others. Your entire answer is laughable at best and I won’t dignify such mediocrity with my reply. You have a good day, Sir!

“I am not going to read any newspaper article when I have a living proof in my family.” ...

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Post by AlexTWithBeard »

joshe wrote: post #567
AlexTWithBeard wrote: post #497

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'd say pretty much all the minorities have always been a part of the workforce.

Women were most of the increase, but minorities increased their participation too. You can see the tail end (looks like they didn't survey it until 1980) of it here: https://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2002/05/art2full.pdf Table 4, look at Black participation rates from 1990 to 2015. For intuition think of extended families living together, being incarcerated, and being the last hired and the first fired (so out of work lon…

Thank you.

Exactly the answer I was looking for!

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Post by SketchySeaBeast »

dsfyu404ed wrote: post #581
SketchySeaBeast wrote: post #561

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It looks like a lot of car seat brands are considered expired starting at 6-ish years, so yeah, I wouldn't suggest using a 5yo car seat.

Good intentions or not that's exactly the kind of hand wringing I mean. I know plastics become more brittle with age but a modern car seat that's expired is going to be tons safer than a car seat from 2000 (mostly because engineers now have better access to good simulation tools at lower cost). So what if little Jimmy isn't maximally safe. He's still a heck of a lot safer (from an unlikely edge case no less) than he…

"I know plastics become more brittle with age but a modern car seat that's expired is going to be tons safer than a car seat from 2000"

How do you know this? Maybe there's technology (crumple areas) that only works when the plastic is relatively new or cushion areas that only are most effective before they degrade, thus making them less safe than good old fashion plastic. We see this with modern cars in their bumper technology - they take the first impact better, but they aren't as rugged as older models. Do you actually know the trade-off, or are you just assuming?

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Post by soared »

joshe wrote: post #590
mberning wrote: post #471

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It is hard believe so many people still don’t “get it”. You cannot inflate the supply of labor, regardless of the means, and get a good result for the average working stiff.

This is perfect, this is exactly what I'm arguing against! Does this statement also seem true? "It is hard to believe so many * economists * don't "get it". You cannot inflate the supply of labor, regardless of the means, and get a good result for the average working stiff." What do we think economists are doing with all their data sets and papers and conferences and stuff?

See climate science, anti-vax, etc for the answer. Some significant percent of people will disagree with experts no matter what.

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Post by [deleted] »

arcticbull wrote: post #569
godelmachine wrote: post #533

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Clearly you have lost track of the argument you have put forth. I decided to countenance your WP article and it seems you can't get illegal immigration outta your head. A sentence in your own article reinforces my statement about H1B workers leveraging their US born kids citizenship for their own citizenship. You even missed out on the basic fact that I am talking about legal immigration and "anchor baby" is a term u…

“Parents can later leverage the citizenship of their progeny to gain theirs.” No, they can’t - not in anything resembling a reasonable timeframe. The only benefit they gain is the ability to have their child sponsor them once they are adults. It takes 18 years to become an adult, 1 year to petition for a green card and 5 years to get citizenship for a bare minimum of 24 years. I said 27 because I used 21 years of age…

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Post by luckydata »

brookhaven_dude wrote: post #492
luckydata wrote: post #369

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Tons, I linked a bunch of articles already, you could also Google it and find it if you were actually interested in learning something instead of making the point most ideologically aligned to your own preconceptions.

You can look up H1B salaries online. Salaries seem pretty high to me. Now you may argue it may be even higher if they were forced to hire domestic workers only, but that's just conjecture. Like saying if Android wasn't available then cheap android users would switch to Apple devices.

why don't you try reading? It's all in TFA

http://www.sciencemag.org/careers/2015/05/economists-h-1b-vi...

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Post by godelmachine »

arcticbull wrote: post #594
godelmachine wrote: post #583

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>> You didn’t read the article I sent you, you bragged about it, and you’re still wrong. I don’t respond to people who make preposterous assumptions about others. Your entire answer is laughable at best and I won’t dignify such mediocrity with my reply. You have a good day, Sir!

“I am not going to read any newspaper article when I have a living proof in my family.” ...

>>I decided to countenance your WP article ...

Do you even peruse the rejoinder's properly?

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