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Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

#591

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GDPR is simply a response to abusive behavior. May not be the best response, but it was about time. Then, it is surprising to me that Americans are against a national id card, but are not OK with a privacy protection law.

I believe it's because, in general, Americans distrust government and trust corporations

Sounds like a good idea until corporations influence government.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

#592

I’ve been reading hacker news for about a decade, and it’s getting to the point where I don’t think there are many entrepreneurs and/or technical people on here anymore. The number of people who are saying it’s no big deal to comply with this huge law, especially for very small startups, is mind boggling. Let’s just take one feature: the requirement that you can permanently delete all of your information. Most early-…

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Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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post #558

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Merely setting a delete flag is not compliant with the GDPR, that's why a cascading delete is necessary. Any programmer worth their salt knows mass random deletes and updates are extremely inefficient.

To your post specifically, I think a cascade of "zero outs" or the like to blank out a user's data would be sufficient is it not? It could happen at most once for each user account so it shouldn't be ruinously inefficient unless a system was already on the verge of collapse. But on the topic in general, could someone explain to me what the real world consequences are likely to be for a small business not based in the…

That would make it compliant but there will still be efficiency problems.

Databases such as Cassandra are made so that updating doesn't actually delete the old data until some time later so frequent updates will degrade performance and storage. Other databases that allow for immediate overwriting the data will cause fragmentation and thus performance decline and wasted storage until you compact (basically recreating the entire database) which is not something you want to do all the time, especially on SSDs.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

#594

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Funny thing is there are also mandatory data retention regulations that say data MUST be maintained for a certain period of time by law. It's getting worse, but it's generally been the case that it's impossible for an individual to bootstrap a company and be 100% compliant with every law and tax regulation. You would never have any time to actually provide a product and service customers. You just do the best you can…

GDPR just says that if you are keeping data, you have to have a good reason for it. If you have to retain certain data for eg tax purposes, then that sounds like a good reason to me.

It has 99 articles arranged over 11 chapters. It does not "just [say] that if you are keeping data, you have to have a good reason for it".

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

#595

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I'm a Brit. I am the MD of a small IT company. I have two partners and 20 employees. We started in 2000. We turn over about £1.5Mpa. We sell our services to people and organisations. Our backups are now smaller these days (thanks to GDPR). I understand that because you are outside the EU you might feel like a target but that is not the point of GDPR. There is no way on earth that the EU as a whole has looked on your…

It's curious how these "basic, fundamental" rights only apply to select industries, while others are free to completely ignore them (art. 85). What kind of basic, fundamental right is that?

Are we reading the same Article 85 here?

Member States shall by law reconcile the right to the protection of personal data pursuant to this Regulation with the right to freedom of expression and information, including processing for journalistic purposes and the purposes of academic, artistic or literary expression.[1]

Not sure how that's 'complete freedom to ignore' exactly, nor is that an exhaustive list, just some examples of where they may need to be balanced against other freedoms.

[1] https://gdpr-info.eu/art-85-gdpr/

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

#596

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I'm a Brit. I am the MD of a small IT company. I have two partners and 20 employees. We started in 2000. We turn over about £1.5Mpa. We sell our services to people and organisations. Our backups are now smaller these days (thanks to GDPR). I understand that because you are outside the EU you might feel like a target but that is not the point of GDPR. There is no way on earth that the EU as a whole has looked on your…

It's curious how these "basic, fundamental" rights only apply to select industries, while others are free to completely ignore them (art. 85). What kind of basic, fundamental right is that?

Even the beloved First Amendment does not protect all forms of speech. Your point…?

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

#597
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I keep seeing these posts on how to block European users to avoid the GDPR. As a citizen of Europe, seeing these posts consistently making it to the front page is disappointing. It would seem that Silicon Valley perceives the GDPR as more of a hindrance than an opportunity to offer users better privacy. Nothing has been learned.

I like the better privacy stuff. What really pisses me off about GDPR is the whole "you cannot deny us your content even if it goes directly against your business model. Instead, you have to have give us all of your shit for free and then provide us an opt-in for your business model to work."

What used to be a full opt-in to the content and business model of a site, the EU wants to only get the content and choose whether or not they want to support a sites business model. You cannot have your cake and eat it too. If you want the sites content, then you should also agree to their business model to actually support it.

Unsurprisingly, now that you cannot tie a sites value with their business model, many companies are choosing to leave the EU as they assume most people don't want to pay for the content they consume (in addition to other things).

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

#598

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I'm a Brit. I am the MD of a small IT company. I have two partners and 20 employees. We started in 2000. We turn over about £1.5Mpa. We sell our services to people and organisations. Our backups are now smaller these days (thanks to GDPR). I understand that because you are outside the EU you might feel like a target but that is not the point of GDPR. There is no way on earth that the EU as a whole has looked on your…

How do you handle developer computers with possible client data on them, even semi-anonymized? Or when communicating issues on the live server, you might transfer client information to other stake holders to debug issue. Are you tracking that communication. Where does the communication data reside, perhaps on a server outside of the EU? There is a lot of complications that arise if you think about the second order/th…

I have keyed in and deleted so many efforts at an answer to your question that I have given up and find myself merely asking: "Have you actually read the regs?"

http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/PDF/?uri=CELEX...

My reading of them finds no second/third order anything. The regs are surprisingly clear.

I forgot to mention that unless you are trying to abuse EU citizens in some way then you have no problems. A useful side effect of the internet is that deciding whether someone is an EU citizen or not is tricky. That means that most companies have decided to treat all citizens in nearly the same way:

For you as a private individual, a foreign power now provides you (indirectly) with way more "rights" than you might have had in the past on the internet. Have a read of the regs, please. The first few paras are a bit "we the people" but then, that is what is required. Then go through the articles. Read them as a person first and then consider them as a company or whatever you do later.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

#599
post #558

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To your post specifically, I think a cascade of "zero outs" or the like to blank out a user's data would be sufficient is it not? It could happen at most once for each user account so it shouldn't be ruinously inefficient unless a system was already on the verge of collapse. But on the topic in general, could someone explain to me what the real world consequences are likely to be for a small business not based in the…

That would make it compliant but there will still be efficiency problems. Databases such as Cassandra are made so that updating doesn't actually delete the old data until some time later so frequent updates will degrade performance and storage. Other databases that allow for immediate overwriting the data will cause fragmentation and thus performance decline and wasted storage until you compact (basically recreating…

It's not frequent updates to delete a piece of data once in its lifetime.

If it takes a week to garbage collect that's fine, it just can't stick around forever.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

#600
so, say i'm outside the EU, and put a project up online, awesome.com. it's accessible from anywhere (or rather, it doesn't filter traffic), except from a eu ip. i don't explicitly "target" anyone.

does the gdpr suggest that, if a "data subject" in the eu accesses my website without my consent, the eu will view me as subject to it's legal system?

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