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Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile

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Re: Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile

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They even held a funeral for their competitors devices: https://www.engadget.com/2010/09/10/microsoft-celebrates-win... This didn't age well.

I'll file that next to the windows 7 release party: https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=22&v=1cX4t5-YpHQ

What is the deal with that camera work, hey guys, try focusing on the person talking.

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Microsoft got a chance to steal market shares and established themselves as an alternative to iOS and Android when they introduced Lumia 950 and 950XL. I really think the device were great. However, they made the fatal mistake on this, the price point. They priced the 950/950XL same as iPhone and Android flagship phones. Yes, I do understand the 950 and 950 XL have flagship hardware, however, you do not priced it as…

> Microsoft got a chance to steal market shares and established themselves as an alternative to iOS and Android when they introduced Lumia 950 and 950XL. The hardware was never the problem. Lots of great devices shipped with Windows Phone. (Disclosure: Microsoft employee)

Not for WP10, specifically.

Continuum was to be the killer feature but they shot themselves in the foot by releasing the Lumia 650 with such mediocre specs that didn't support it.

Re: Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile

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if I was Microsoft's CEO, I would have donated $ billions to Mozilla. Then let Mozilla to build the best mobile browser. The Web can easily abstract the OS. As WeChat has shown. That way I can sell more handsets and also bespoke "Microsoft Services" based on the web.

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Look I don't want to beat a dead horse, but Microsoft has no one else to blame but themselves. The launch version was a great early adopter MVP and moved the entire mobile industry to a content first paradigm (flat UI). However, they never tried to catch up in the feature department. Instead they focused on all the wrong things, like porting to NT kernel and building an OS that could support limited memory. So during…

> they focused on all the wrong things, like porting to NT kernel and building an OS that could support limited memory. I think it’s easy for us to focus on software but I don’t think any of that mattered compared to failing so badly on the hardware side. Over that period, how many weeks were there where they had phone hardware which was competitive with Android, much less iOS? It seemed like every time I saw it ment…

That was one of the little gems of Windows Phone. It could do what your current generation Android/Apple phone could do on previous generation hardware.

WP hardware was dirt cheap because of it.

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> I cannot distribute .APPX You can distribute .APPX. You can't distribute an unsigned .APPX and guarantee users can use it, but you haven't been able to do that with .EXE in years either. > I cannot run .APPX. Double clicking an .APPX installs it. > I cannot run .EXE. You can include Win32 .EXEs in .APPX packages now. There's a bunch of tools to support just that scenario called the "Desktop Bridge". > I cannot run…

Here is a sample scenario that blocks me from doing certain development actions: --- Steps to Reproduce --- 1. Launch VS 2017 2. Create new UWP blank app 3. Build it 4. Go to project's bin\Debug folder in File Explorer. 5. Find app's .EXE file and double-click it --- Actual Results --- .EXE file cannot be launched. Error: "This application can only run in the context of an app container." --- Expected Results --- .EX…

>These files should be consumable at the OS level.

They are. You've broken something, I suspect.

Re: Microsoft gives up on Windows 10 Mobile

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It was already too late that MS embrace opensource and made their IDE(Visual Studio) for free. Developers who can't afford it already moved on and used free and opensource alternatives and then start to love it without looking back at MS stuff. They then realize that MS technologies are not the only cool tools and programming languages to write applications with and make money.

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That may be so, but WinRT comes with a bunch of limitations, so there isn't really a no-brainer choice for application development, and also, considering how deeply it's associated with the unpopular Windows Store app and Windows phone, who wants to throw in their lot with it? Frankly it hasn't seemed worth investing that much time into any of them and I pretty much just end up reaching for yet another WinForms MVP a…

I'm still maintaining a WinForms app, the only problem I've had is dealing with high dpi displays is really messy.

The biggest pitfall on a project you work on with other people is how much it tempts you to just put all the behaviors into the code-behind of the form.

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What OS were the other 98% (i.e. non-devs) of employees using?

Usually Mac in my experience because nobody on their right mind would bother with Windows in a working environment.

Then I guess the vast majority of people are insane because Mac use in Enterprise is essentially non-existent.

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Exactly that. The feedback loop is shit as well. Out falls a broken pile of shit for a CTP. No one accepts any feedback. It hits RTM, no one accepts any feedback. Two years down the line, the same bugs are open. You should hear the partner reps wanting to cry when you report a bug in something that you NEED a fix for and are paying support for. You get fuck all other than a registry fix or a hack even if the mainline…

From the second ticket > It's only a matter of time before some enterprising journalist looking for a scoop picks up on this. The headlines here are not good: "Microsoft caught with sneaky program to spy on companies" Let me take care of that... Edit: Wrote several of germanys biggest tech sites with focus on dataprotection aswell as the german ministry for cyber security with a link to that ticket. Let's see what ha…

You do undrrstand thus is a one year old issue in a pre-release of .net core 1 (current version is 2.0)?

The issue is well documented and explained: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/dotnet/core/tools/telemetry

I applaud your vigilance, but you are a bit late.

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If a Ubuntu in 2017 isn't user friendly I really don't know what that phrase is even supposed to mean.

As someone that only works on linux systems.... The state of Linux is not great. We still can't get the basics like sound, wifi, etc out of the box. I get why it's a problem, and it's generally not the fault of Linux devs, but it's still a problem that turns people away. I really want to see Linux take over on the desktop, but turning a blind eye to our problems is a poor way to do it.

But in the enterprise you'd only have a few tested laptops and the would be tested and configured by IT. It may be an issue for home users, but this doesn't make it not user friendly enough for enterprise users.
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