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Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Post by mangecoeur »

TrickyRick wrote: post #570
zanny wrote: post #483

Since no one else has, I'll take the piss out of this "hollier than thou" bullshit. > Devices are your personal property. We won’t force you to have anything you don’t want. Devices are your personal property. The SoC is still a proprietary trade secret, the baseband is still spying on you for the NSA, the GPU is still a closed blob piece of shit. No mainline driver support, bootloader is closed source, firmware is c…

Also don't forget: > Premium materials and true craftsmanship shouldn’t just be for the few. Then maybe they should not have priced it in line with the iPhone?

Maybe when you live in the Valley you get a very skewed idea of who 'the few' are :P Maybe they think anyone who doesn't buy a new flagship smartphone every 6 months is living in destitution :)

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Post by natch »

natch wrote: post #545
exabrial wrote: post #411

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Much like JNCOs, dongles were a bad idea from the 90s, why are we reliving this

I thought we already went over this moths ago. It's because 1) they want to save space inside the housing for other components, and 2) industry leaders want to move the industry beyond wired headphones.

months* ago.

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Post by throwaway2048 »

steeve wrote: post #486
zanny wrote: post #483

Since no one else has, I'll take the piss out of this "hollier than thou" bullshit. > Devices are your personal property. We won’t force you to have anything you don’t want. Devices are your personal property. The SoC is still a proprietary trade secret, the baseband is still spying on you for the NSA, the GPU is still a closed blob piece of shit. No mainline driver support, bootloader is closed source, firmware is c…

> Devices become outdated because shitty vendors refuse to open source and mainline drivers for their components. YES. This one of the major reasons of the Android versions fragmentation. However, most of them don't even have mainline-able drivers. See Amlogic which got rejected because of "shitty code".

https://www.cvedetails.com/vulnerability-list/vendor_id-33/p...

For some fun reading, 357 CVEs in the linux kernel in 2017, 191 of them remote root, 95%+ of the total in closed source ARM drivers. (basicly everying labeled broadcomm and qualcomm).

For those keeping score, 2017 ALONE has produced 1/3rd of the linux kernel vulnerabilities ever observed.

We need to demand vendors do better.

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Post by 4c2383f5c88e911 »

as1mov wrote: post #248
feld wrote: post #157

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> - And physical keyboards. Something for SSH'ing with. There is no market for this product. Nobody wants it except a tiny fraction of the market who work in IT.

Not really. Manufacturers just stopped making phones with PKB because since Apple wasn't making them, they weren't worth it. It hard to estimate the demand for PKB phones when no one is making them. I'd buy one in heartbeat if one launched with low-mid end specs and less than $400. We've constantly chosen form over functionality. Larger sized phones, fragile build materials(glass over plastic), lesser battery just so…

I mostly agree with your comment, but "fragile build materials(glass over plastic)" is weird to me, glass is much more pleasant to touch than plastic, and while it may shatter (which isn't an issue with plastic), plastic is easier to scratch, which used to be an issue before almost all phones got a glass screen.

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Post by column »

leereeves wrote: post #511
_xhok wrote: post #508

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I think he means the unobfuscated code is proprietary.

Could be. It's not obfuscated > // Polyfill for creating CustomEvents on IE9/10/11 > function EmailInput(e,t,i,n){function r() but it does contain some proprietary code from GreenSock.

But is js really needed on such a page? Wouldn't css-grid do the job just fine?

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Post by [deleted] »

column wrote: post #595
leereeves wrote: post #511

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Could be. It's not obfuscated > // Polyfill for creating CustomEvents on IE9/10/11 > function EmailInput(e,t,i,n){function r() but it does contain some proprietary code from GreenSock.

But is js really needed on such a page? Wouldn't css-grid do the job just fine?

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Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Post by tjoff »

davemp wrote: post #425
tjoff wrote: post #417

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You happily accept many peripherals flapping around but won't accept a usb-hub that allows you to group them together? This comes to mind: https://xkcd.com/1172/ Now if we are going to talk about manufacturers saving a few bucks for the only reason of trying to be the bigger idiot we should take about the headphone jack.

> many peripherals flapping around headphones and charger A usb hub also doesn't fit into my pocket. What if I'm walking around and want to plug two things in? Well fuck. EDIT: Also that is not a relevant xkcd. I'm not suggesting to break other peoples usecase in favor of mine. I just want two ports.

You should be able to do that with an adapter. And if you use usb for headphones (which by the way is just ludicrous) you already live the dongle-life.

Though the motorola Z phones has what you want. Add the turbopower mod and you get the powerpack and an additional usb connection that can be used for charging (not sure if that mod allows that usb-port for anything else), leaving the original unused.

The Z-line is also the closest you can get to a replaceable battery so that is pretty neat as well.

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Post by roryisok »

mangecoeur wrote: post #591
TrickyRick wrote: post #570

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Also don't forget: > Premium materials and true craftsmanship shouldn’t just be for the few. Then maybe they should not have priced it in line with the iPhone?

Maybe when you live in the Valley you get a very skewed idea of who 'the few' are :P Maybe they think anyone who doesn't buy a new flagship smartphone every 6 months is living in destitution :)

Exactly. The many can't afford to drop €699 on the "base" model phone, especially an unproven one.

Re: Essential Phone, available now

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Post by teekert »

colordrops wrote: post #586
thaumasiotes wrote: post #568

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That's on you, not the screen protector.

I've had several phones with various types of screen protectors that did not fall apart after a month.

Mine is still on after 1 year but I have it in a case.
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