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Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by komali2 »

hota_mazi wrote: post #584
csomar wrote: post #178

Am I the only one that sees OS X as the biggest reason to switch to Mac? I mean Windows is good, but nowhere good as OS X. And please, don't tell me Ubuntu or other linux flavors. They look good (and are good if you are programming on them) but the UX is still lacking a lot. (Never mind the confusion of the different flavors, packaging systems, and configurations). Also god forbid you have a problem (especially a har…

> Am I the only one that sees OS X as the biggest reason to switch to Mac? Not any more. Mac OS looks and feels very antiquated compared to Windows today. As a developer, Windows has caught up to MacOS for the shells and beats it in pretty much all the other areas (UI of the OS, keyboard shortcuts everywhere, great file manager(s), much more productivity tools available, etc...). And of course, Windows laptops are an…

Can you tell me more about your bash setup?

It seems silly, but to me two big annoyances are

1. I can't figure out how to easily open up the bash/ubuntu thing where I need it. I'd love to just have a dedicated "github stuff" folder that it opens into by default (and can edit). I always seem to put stuff where bash ubuntu isn't allowed to touch, or I'm manually CDing around until I find that weird place where the C drive is. I mean yea I can google it, but I'd have to do it every time.

2. Pardon my french but it's fuckugly. The colors, the fonts, lack of transparency. Copying/pasting/etc all suck. How can I make this less sucky?

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

coldtea wrote: post #504
m_fayer wrote: post #434

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It's hidden, looks like an afterthought ux-wise, and is inferior to the interactive bread-crumb style that the windows explorer uses. But better than nothing, thanks.

> and is inferior to the interactive bread-crumb style that the windows explorer uses Actually the Finder has interactive breadcrumb style paths that's not hidden at all (just not on by default): View -> Show Path Bar It also has a "path dropdown" with all the directories up to the current path, shown if you command-click on the current folder's icon+name on the top-center of the Finder.

"Show Path Bar" isn't interactive, but it's worth noting that the Command-Click trick lets you navigate to any of the folders along the path, not just display them. (Which I'm sure you know, but just in case readers don't.)

I've never found macOS's window management to be that bad, but to be fair I've been using Moom for a decade or so, and lately have been using the "split full screen app" trick a lot. (Someone else mentioned the long press on the green "full screen" dot for that, but you can also do it just by making an app full screen, going to Mission Control--which I do with a four-finger swipe--and dragging a second app on top of the full screen one.) That's not as useful for 27" monitors--in most cases I prefer to actually have untiled windows I can rearrange and resize with the pointer--but it's terrific for laptop screens.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by komali2 »

issa wrote: post #318
Eun wrote: post #222

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Window management in OSX is horrible. Finder is even more horrible. It reminds me of the Windows 95 Explorer. A network drive hangs? Good luck with Finder..., the whole system halts.

My number one complaint about OSX is also window management. I've never found anything comparable to the way Windows 7 let you use the left/right arrows to line up windows on half the screen. That is the only thing I miss about Windows, but it's a pretty big one. Also, when dis/connecting monitors on OSX, windows often get lost. ps- if anyone has any suggestions or recommendations, I'd love to hear them!

Ubuntu has these similar features in whatever default window manager thing it uses (I don't know the difference between window manager, desktop, etc for Linux). It also has "geographical desktop management," i.e., in windows and mac your separate desktops are to the left and right only, on ubuntu they can be up, down, left, or right. Might be trivial to some, but to me, having a "physical space" metaphor for my workflow is tremendously helpful.

Also you can drag left/right to snap to one half of a screen.

Anyway I tried to replicate this behavior on Mac with spectacle. It's meh. If you fuck up and fullscreen something and then try to half screen it, it seems to break horribly.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by fleetingmoments »

csomar wrote: post #347
gkya wrote: post #314

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Maybe you can afford that, but many can't.

I really dislike this argument. If you are not doing any serious work, then yes, Apple products are a luxury. If you are doing serious work, then you can afford Apple products easily. Let's say you spend $10k on your 2-year updated hardware. That comes at roughly $14/day. That's about how much I pay for coffee daily (cafes + Nespresso capsules) Edit: And that doesn't include the re-selling price. I do give my old har…

I'd really like to know what you do to make a 2 year Macbook Pro upgrade cycle worth the cash outlay. Performance updates have been really incremental between releases for the last while. I do some serious machine learning and DSP development (except for deep learning, but an upgrade is not going to help with that) on my early 2013 rMBP and I feel bad asking for an upgrade although I could probably get one, because there is really nothing wrong with my machine. Maybe when a 32GB version swings around...

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by andrethegiant »

csomar wrote: post #178

Am I the only one that sees OS X as the biggest reason to switch to Mac? I mean Windows is good, but nowhere good as OS X. And please, don't tell me Ubuntu or other linux flavors. They look good (and are good if you are programming on them) but the UX is still lacking a lot. (Never mind the confusion of the different flavors, packaging systems, and configurations). Also god forbid you have a problem (especially a har…

FWIW, you can disable Siri in System Preferences.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by komali2 »

Aaargh20318 wrote: post #468
kerbalspacepro wrote: post #365

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... on Windows you drag a window to the right and make it 1/2 or 1/3 or 1/4 the screen. On a Mac dragging the window... drags the window.

I never understood the whole obsession with running applications fullscreen. The whole point of a multitasking OS is to run multiple apps at the same time. If you need to run your apps fullscreen you probably need a bigger monitor.

For the other perspective - it actually boggles my mind when I see coworkers with one desktop open with 3-4 windows kinda mushed all around, different sizes, etc. Like, you paid a lot of money for that good display, why are you not using it?! How can you stand having to scroll all over a window to see something, when you could just fullscreen it? Is it that they need to context switch quickly? Why not just use multiple desktops, with all fullscreen or at least fully-half-screened apps?

I never understood this type of workflow and when I was in school it was everywhere, it's like apple was pushing for people to have little windows strewn out over an otherwise gorgeous display.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by komali2 »

valuearb wrote: post #589
runamok wrote: post #556

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Most people don't have 5-8k to drop. The main problem with your specs is thinner/lighter is diametrically opposed to longer battery life and more RAM which consumes more energy. In 2015 the macbook pro had a 99.5 watt-hour battery (100 watts is the limit to take on airplanes). Now it has 76 watt hours. So you could get approximately 30% more battery life had they not prioritized thin and light. Source: https://www.cn…

Everyone benefits from thinner and lighter. We only benefit from more battery life if you reach the end of your capacity. For phones, it's an easy product decision, thinner/lighter is always better. You give the most benefit to the most users, and those who really need more battery life can get a battery case and pay the weight/thickness costs alone. For a Macbook, it's a closer decision, but I think in this case the…

I was lucky enough to go through all stages of old-enough-to-have-a-laptop school (highschool and college) during whatever we should call the period of time in which batteries in laptops rapidly evolved. So I started out a freshman where laptops were hunks of solid IBM plastic chunking at like, 4 hours, maybe? And came out of college with surface pros and macs humming at 8 hours. For me, it wasn't until they were pushing 6-8hours (of ACTUAL usage) that laptops made sense as education devices - I'm at school for 6-8 hours , I can squeeze in maybe 30 minutes to an hour of charge time if I want to be stuck in one place for that stretch of time (as opposed to, I dunno, walking around, working out, whatever). So there was an actual finite number of battery time for me that made the things viable.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by chipotle_coyote »

SonicSoul wrote: post #308
csomar wrote: post #178

Am I the only one that sees OS X as the biggest reason to switch to Mac? I mean Windows is good, but nowhere good as OS X. And please, don't tell me Ubuntu or other linux flavors. They look good (and are good if you are programming on them) but the UX is still lacking a lot. (Never mind the confusion of the different flavors, packaging systems, and configurations). Also god forbid you have a problem (especially a har…

I love OSX but never understood why people pay so much for those apple displays. we use them at work and they suuuuuck. super heavy, can't adjust height, can't put it in portrait mode which is .. I don't know useful 40% of the time, glares like a mofo, and cost 2x-3x similar quality displays from not Apple. Is the look of them that desirable? i finally switched for same reso Dell units on my desk and really happy abo…

To be fair, when I bought my Apple Thunderbolt Display in 2012, I compared it to other monitors available at the time, and when you compared not just the display quality but the fact that it had an integrated Thunderbolt dock, it really wasn't too overpriced. (IIRC, Dell's closest equivalent was $949.)

The problem is that Apple almost never lowers their prices unless they come out with a "new improved" model of something. So, as a given product continues to be sold without an update or a price drop, the more steadily outrageous its price point seems. To the point of the original linked article, this is a serious problem for the Mac Pro. It was expensive at introduction, but it's been downright absurd for the last two years. This is an issue across most of the Mac product line currently, though.

Re: The Mac Pro Lives

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Post by komali2 »

valuearb wrote: post #580
dr_ick wrote: post #425

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People buy those Apple monitors because they are guaranteed to work to with Apple computers. At least that is the reasoning. They can complain to their local Apple Store to make it work. Most end users have no clue, and they don't enjoy researching, so they don't know they could get something better for less money.

Most users don't realize how good Apple monitors are, and how much better they make your work day. I just don't understand scrimping on something you will spend all day staring at. Getting something "almost as good" for half the price is a terrible deal.

Er, are they good? I have a gorgeous Dell IPS 4k monitor at work and (I know, it's very silly) I actually get a tiny thrill whenever I pop my IDE open in it. It's just so darn pretty.
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