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What I Heard from Trump Supporters

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Re: What I Heard from Trump Supporters

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Post by sdegutis »

splawn wrote: post #578
sdegutis wrote: post #544

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regardless of whether any of these are considered "rude" or "disrespectful" (which btw is an opinion that many Trump supporters openly disagree with), it's a very real form of censorship to mandate that people aren't allowed to say these things. And that's dangerous.

I don't see the danger in encouraging people to treat each other with respect.

Encouraging is not the same as enforcing. People should have the freedom to say what they want. Just because someone cries and says "they hurt my feelings" doesn't mean we should put mandates and rules in place to stop it from happening again. It's a pretty slippery slope, and complete liars can take advantage of this to basically make new rules for everyone else, and we'll also end up with a fundamentally broken society who can't handle any kind of criticism at all and who don't understand that their feelings don't trump other people's rights.

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Post by balabaster »

cr0sh wrote: post #550
balabaster wrote: post #53

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Just like Brexit... a lot of people voted to send a message thinking that there was no possibility of an exit... and surprise... when you vote, shit happens! I feel a vague sympathy for those people. They honestly thought they were just sending a message thinking that as one person they didn't stand a hope of "changing the world." I don't think they ever thought that there would be enough "just one person" people to…

> At least they'll be spurred to vote again, and actually make an educated and informed vote instead of just "sticking it to the man." You're way more optimistic than me, buddy.

They say everyone has their flaws... unfortunately, that's mine :D

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Post by sedachv »

true_religion wrote: post #422
sedachv wrote: post #329

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How is it useless and unhelpful? I am pointing out that people voted for Trump because they lack basic empathy and understanding towards other people's real problems. I like recreational shooting and was an NRA member for two years, enough to develop a serious dislike of 2nd amendment obsessives. Prioritizing your hobby over women's rights is disgusting.

If some values (e.g. abortion rights) are more important than others (e.g. constitutional rights), then the supporters of the important values should be willing to compromise their positions on the less important ones in order to build common ground. You can't force other people to find your values important. You can't twist human psychology so that 'empathy' constantly will overrule self-gain. What you can do is com…

> What you can do is compromise. If the democratic party were...

Unfortunately this is the core of the issue. That first sentence should really read "What the democratic party can do is compromise" for the second sentence to follow. As a voter in the United States you are personally forced to compromise. In order to choose the lesser of two evils you need a developed sense of empathy and morality, and based on the comments in the original article many people seem to be missing this.

Reform of the democratic/republican parties (someone as compromised and mentally unstable as Trump being elected is a serious republican issue) is an entirely different organizational problem that can only be done by party insiders.

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Post by st3v3r »

SnowFace wrote: post #328
st3v3r wrote: post #195

"For months and months, they'd been unfairly denigrating Trump supporters" If you support a candidate who espouses racist, sexist, xenophobic, and general bigoted views, a candidate who was caught on tape as bragging about sexual assault, then it is not unfair to paint you as supporting those things. To me, anyone who supports Trump has declared their support for those things. And it is on them to prove that they are…

Show me where Trump is racist. Show me just one example.

His entire spiel about Mexicans being drug dealers and rapists.

And you are clearly not interested in any kind of discussion. You are simply trying to justify to yourself that, despite supporting someone who is clearly an abhorrent person, you are not an abhorrent person. And I'm not buying it.

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Post by DanBC »

sdegutis wrote: post #591
splawn wrote: post #578

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't see the danger in encouraging people to treat each other with respect.

Encouraging is not the same as enforcing. People should have the freedom to say what they want. Just because someone cries and says "they hurt my feelings" doesn't mean we should put mandates and rules in place to stop it from happening again. It's a pretty slippery slope, and complete liars can take advantage of this to basically make new rules for everyone else, and we'll also end up with a fundamentally broken soc…

> Just because someone cries and says "they hurt my feelings"

In the context of trans people we're not talking about "hurt feelings". We're talking about murder, sexual violence, severe assault, and increased risk of suicide.

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Post by st3v3r »

rrauenza wrote: post #387
st3v3r wrote: post #228

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This is false equivalence at it's best. If it was Mitt Romney or John McCain, you might have a point. But this was Trump. Trump openly mocked the disabled. He espoused xenophobic and racist viewpoints. He embraced the KKK's support of him, often retweeting white nationalists. Fuck, he put Steve Bannon, the head of the neo-Nazis as his advisor.

I agree with most of the above sentiment, but there's a little more context to the mocking of the disabled reporter. He'd been using those motions to mock people (who are backpedaling) in general for quite some time: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgaC0leEb68

I don't buy it. He knew what he was doing, he knew it was wrong, and he did it anyway.

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Post by ar15saveslives »

Arizhel wrote: post #563
ar15saveslives wrote: post #426

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I like your logic. "You know, I have never been a victim of a murder, therefore murders don't happen". When a company publicly announces "we're affirmative action company", I understand it as they openly exercise racism and/or sexism against me. And trust me, as a divorced guy, I've experienced institutionalized sexism A LOT.

>And trust me, as a divorced guy, I've experienced institutionalized sexism A LOT. How so?

Divorces in a nutshell: wives take everything (children, house, money), husbands start life from scratch.

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Post by leesalminen »

splintercell wrote: post #567
leesalminen wrote: post #420

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Serious question: why would an American citizen choose to not learn the national language? Doesn't that disadvantage you severely in life?

It's not just about 'choice', I live in a predominantly Russian neighborhood with a Russian wife, but no matter how hard I try I can't learn Russian because they all very conveniently speak English. Similarly, if you're Hispanic, it would be hard for you to learn English if everyone else around you speaks a convenient language (i.e. Spanish), even if they could speak both the languages easily. It's kind of a trap, yo…

> I live in a predominantly Russian neighborhood with a Russian wife, but no matter how hard I try I can't learn Russian because they all very conveniently speak English.

That sounds exactly like a choice to me. You chose to take the easy route and communicate in a common language. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, but absolutely a choice.

Why did you choose that option?

I lived in Chile for a while. Although many people spoke English, I chose to learn their language and communicate that way.

Was it hard? Yes. Was it worth it? I believe so. Not only did I pick up a valuable new skill, I assimilated into their culture and learned the nuanced differences between us. It was highly rewarding.

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Post by DanBC »

shklnrj wrote: post #5

I think that when people "KNOW" that they are "RIGHT", it sometimes brings moral superiority into people. That, in addition to norms of socially acceptable behaviour, pushes people into a corner. For example - If someone goes to Bill Maher's show, anyone clapping on a conservative view point is seen as a criminal, while people with liberal point of view clap "together" as a group, with the smug arrogance of knowing t…

> What do you guys think?

I think that you're operating under a pretty severe cognitive bias.

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Post by Balgair »

saeranv wrote: post #185
austenallred wrote: post #100

I moved to San Francisco from a very rural area (was working remotely from my father-in-law's farm), and there are a few things the liberals I work with simply do not understand about what's happening in "small-town America" (Disclaimer: I did not vote for Trump, and I don't consider myself a Republican). 1. People hate Hillary Clinton. Haaaate her. No, you think I'm saying they disagree with her politics, but you do…

Thanks for sharing. Can you elaborate on #1. I never really understood the level of hatred Hillary received. To me she seemed like any other politician.

Hillary has had a very long career with many highs and many lows, so there really isn't a single reason anymore on why she is hated; many people have many reasons that may go back 30 years or more. Here are some google hits on why:

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/cover_story/...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/larry-womack/stop-pretending-y...

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