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Time to Take a Stand

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Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by refurb »

pcwalton wrote: post #461
refurb wrote: post #401

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's focus here. The claim is this is a ban on Muslim's, yet the vast majority of Muslims in the world are unaffected.

It is a partial fulfillment of the goal Trump explicitly stated repeatedly during the campaign: "a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the country". He has taken a very large concrete step toward this outcome, explicitly and obviously in service of it. To claim otherwise requires both being obtuse about the wording and the belief that Trump won't do what he said he was going to do. After the events of the…

You're being selective in your quote of Trump. What he said was...

* “total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on.” *

That is a very different statement from you said.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by jhall1468 »

obstacle1 wrote: post #564
msoad wrote: post #217

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> military age males What that even means? A 30 years old PhD student researching quantum computing was barred from entering the U.S. You broad brush painted him too.

A 30 year old male is a military-age male, PhD or not.

I mean, if we're already going to use faith-based targeting, might as well throw a little sexism in the mix for full effect.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by dang »

551199 wrote: post #534

Sam is just worried where it leads to as many have pointed out. No more cheap labor for tech companies. They actually have to hire americans and pay market rates.

Please don't make things up about people. Unless you have a mind reader (which you don't in this case at least; the claim is false), you'd have no way of knowing this.

We detached this comment from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=13508809 and marked it off-topic.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by t_20170128 »

dgregd wrote: post #533

I live in Central Europe. It is really hard from my perspective to understand all that mass hysteria in US, especially in California. Maybe overdosing leftist propaganda causes that hysteria. Many products of Silicon Valley and Hollywood companies are simply blocked in China. Mainly to protect Chinese young companies. As far I known Google is completely blocked in China. Hollywood movies are also not freely distribut…

>Many products of Silicon Valley and Hollywood companies are simply blocked in China. Mainly to protect Chinese young companies. As far I known Google is completely blocked in China. Hollywood movies are also not freely distributed in China. And for some reason it is Trump accused of acting against free trade.

This is whataboutism at its finest. We are not talking about China because this has nothing to do with China.

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by CalChris »

mindcrime wrote: post #212
_m8fo wrote: post #7

Why is that all of these posts saying to "take a stand" fail to explain the political process? I'll just quote myself here. If you want to help stop trump the most effective ways are to: 1. Call - Local congresspeople (http://www.house.gov/representatives/find/) - Senators (https://www.senate.gov/senators/contact/) - Local officials (https://www.usa.gov/elected-officials) 2. Participate - Get involved in local electi…

7. Join a political party (I'd suggest the Libertarian Party, but whatever floats your boat) 8. Donate money to said party and to candidates in upcoming elections.

The last three Libertarian candidates for President are:

  2016 former Republican Governor of New Mexico, Gary Johnson
  2012 former Republican Governor of New Mexico, Gary Johnson
  2008 former GOP House member and Clinton prosecutor Bobb Barr
Gary Johnson ran as both a Republican and a Libertarian in 2008. Republican Ron Paul has run as a Libertarian.

On the evidence, the Libertarian Party is a flag of convenience for Republicans.

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Post by abecedarius »

guelo wrote: post #157
methehack wrote: post #42

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I think Mr. Altman is largely addressing tech CEOs here and urging them to make public statements. The actions you list are great for you and me, but he's mostly not really talking to us. Supporting quotations from the post (because evidence): "The tech community is powerful. Large tech companies in particular have enormous power and are held in high regard. We need to hear from the CEOs clearly and unequivocally" "A…

The most effective action tech companies can take is what they did against SOPA: post large protest banners on popular websites. Though I don't think this is the right time to take that step. There are many outrages ahead, many will be directly related to tech, like killing net neutrality, forcing tech companies to compile Muslim registries, banning tech worker and student visas, and who knows what else. I think tech…

I'm also unsure about protest banners, but on the general theme of holding your fire, "this is exactly how big companies lose against startups. They wait around to see what the startup will do, and by the time they have figured out that it’s important it is too late to catch up. This is why Andy Grove’s motto at Intel was “Only the paranoid survive.” So working with startups has taught me: don’t wait until it is too late. Protest early and often. We wouldn’t even be here if people hadn’t grossly underestimated Trump to begin with." (From Albert Wengler earlier this week, http://continuations.com/post/156262260395/what-i-learned-fr...)

Re: Time to Take a Stand

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Post by jannotti »

refurb wrote: post #279
nthitz wrote: post #21

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The only people the ban will affect will be Muslim people though.

Uh.... no? This ban also prevents any Christians living in those countries from coming to the US as well.

That's not what Trump says. https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/trump...

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Post by refurb »

zardeh wrote: post #386
refurb wrote: post #241

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Yet Christians are specifically being targeted in Syria.[1] Wouldn't you think they would be the first ones who want to leave? [1] https://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/26/magazine/is-this-the-end-... By the way, this article is from one of your reputable news sources.

But would they be more likely to be refugees? That is, I'd expect that a Christian in the middle east would be more likely to have citizenship or family in a western nation than your average Syrian. Now it could be, but 'they are being specifically targeted' doesn't immediately imply to me that 'they should be a disproportionately high number of refugees'. That story mentions Bishops and priests who are very likely t…

That is, I'd expect that a Christian in the middle east would be more likely to have citizenship or family in a western nation than your average Syrian.

Why would you assume that? These are Syrian Christians who have lived their for centuries. They are no different than other Syrians other than their religious beliefs.

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Post by downandout »

idlewords wrote: post #576
guelo wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The most effective action tech companies can take is what they did against SOPA: post large protest banners on popular websites. Though I don't think this is the right time to take that step. There are many outrages ahead, many will be directly related to tech, like killing net neutrality, forcing tech companies to compile Muslim registries, banning tech worker and student visas, and who knows what else. I think tech…

The most effective action tech companies can take is to pour rivers of money into immigrant advocacy and legal aid organizations, and to make sure their CEOs speak out loudly, right now. Banners don't matter. Net neutrality mattered in October, doesn't really matter now. Get your head straight.

I am not sure that legal aid/advocacy will help those affected here. The President has wide latitude to make immigration decisions. Love it or hate it, the new policy is what it is and the courts are likely not in a legal position to be able to overturn or make an end-run around it, regardless of how compelling the argument in a given case is. Encouraging new and timely legislation is much more likely to be effective if you are opposed to this executive order.

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Post by scarmig »

general_ai wrote: post #100

First, it's not a "ban". It's a temporary suspension until new vetting procedures are put in place. Second, it's not "Muslim". Muslims from all other countries (some of them pretty large, e.g. Indonesia and Pakistan), will experience no change in their ability to enter the US. Other than Iran (which imo shouldn't be on the list) we're bombing and droning all of those countries at the moment. It's insane to accept mil…

Democrats totally destabilized the Middle East?

Alternative facts, alternative reality.

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