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Re: Yahoo discloses hack of 1B accounts

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leaking unsalted md5 passwords == leaking passwords

Not if it's my password. I use ~100 bits of entropy.

Hence "Strong passwords that need to be memorized" in OP's comment. Or else your memory is way better than mine (or I care way less, or probably both).

Re: Yahoo discloses hack of 1B accounts

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You are describing a first preimage attack. There have not been any computable first (or second) preimage attacks on md5. https://stackoverflow.com/questions/822638/does-any-publishe... There are collision attacks, but that is not relevant for password cracking.

From 2009: a preimage attack reduced the complexity from 2^128 to 2^123.4 [1]. It's still a big number, but it's less than the theoretical complexity. [1] https://www.iacr.org/archive/eurocrypt2009/54790136/54790136...

What I meant by "computable" is something that can be computed with today's hardware.

Re: Yahoo discloses hack of 1B accounts

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post #434

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Not if it's my password. I use ~100 bits of entropy.

Hence "Strong passwords that need to be memorized " in OP's comment. Or else your memory is way better than mine (or I care way less, or probably both).

Whether they need to be memorized or not does not make the statement "it will be leaked eventually anyway" more true.

I use a password database so I don't memorize most of my passwords.

Re: Yahoo discloses hack of 1B accounts

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What do you mean by a password that can't be reasonably brute forced? EDIT: To clarify, I mean specifically with md5. I'm by no means an expert, just curious because I had considered md5 so broken that this comment caught my attention.

Rumours of MD5's death have been greatly exaggerated. MD5's weakness is that it's (relatively) easy to produce two strings which have the same hash. However, given an MD5 hash, it's not easy to produce a string which also has that hash. In principle , one could intentionally construct two passwords which have the same hash. It's hard to see how that could be exploited maliciously - any attacker knows both passwords t…

https://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/security/2862973...

Re: Yahoo discloses hack of 1B accounts

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post #593

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Hence "Strong passwords that need to be memorized " in OP's comment. Or else your memory is way better than mine (or I care way less, or probably both).

Whether they need to be memorized or not does not make the statement "it will be leaked eventually anyway" more true. I use a password database so I don't memorize most of my passwords.

Well, it does, because memory puts some limitations on length and complexity...

Re: Yahoo discloses hack of 1B accounts

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post #593

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Whether they need to be memorized or not does not make the statement "it will be leaked eventually anyway" more true. I use a password database so I don't memorize most of my passwords.

Well, it does, because memory puts some limitations on length and complexity...

It is possible to memorize a 100 bit password. I once had a 1000 word poem memorized, and could write it down flawlessly from memory.

I agree that it's not worth memorizing, you should instead use a password database. But I still maintain my original point that there's no reason to assume that your password will be leaked eventually if you use a strong password.

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