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Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by vintermann »

wnc3141 wrote: post #431
andy99 wrote: post #329

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It’s hard to know in retrospect what was strategy and what was dumb luck. This was in the midst of hysterical calls to limit access by “AI researchers” and safety/ethics types, when very facile takes still has a lot of sway (I think we’ll feel the same in three years about the current Fable stuff). It may have been hard for Meta to just release it outright. What ended up happening was fairly limited gating followed b…

Meta saw the grave premonitions from ai firms as a means of edging out legacy firms through regulatory capture.

Meta is by far the worst at doing regulatory capture of the big companies: they're the one big tech company it's OK to hate and want to die even if you're a politician.

Not saying they're not trying.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by Der_Einzige »

noosphr wrote: post #288
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #276

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Yup. An extremist wing of the FOSS movement ceded the debate early on by trying to insist open source required full access to the training data. Philosophically, not wrong. But practically fucked, so the word evolved. Within tech circles, open weight != open source. Outside them, they’re synonyms.

Training data without the training regime is useless. A cake is not open source because they list the ingredients.

Wrong. The data (and compute) matters infinitely more than the training regime/architecture. This is the Bitter lesson.

I could rerun Kimi K3 with full transformers instead of the hybrid mamba architecture and it would only get better.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by Foobar8568 »

pc86 wrote: post #219
kylecazar wrote: post #25

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Most probably believe this is a good thing, but don't want to give Zuckerberg credit because a) he's had a profoundly negative impact on society and b) the strategy is transparent, he's trying to commoditize his closed rivals, it's not out of principle. I personally think more open models are a good thing regardless of motive.

You can tell how intellectually honest someone is when someone they hate makes a good point. It's possible to dislike (or even hate) Zuckerberg and understand that he's making a good point for selfish motives, and still want that thing as well. Instead you see several comments here twisting themselves into pretzels trying to explain how ackshually open models are bad now. I don't care if this helps Zuckerberg because…

They didn't care about openmodels for a long while for some reasons... Now it hits their bottom line, mindshare and shareholders.

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Post by prmoustache »

webninja wrote: post #449
Terretta wrote: post #415

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Did you know that if trains or cars go over 30 mph, it's disastrous for public health? Not from accidents. Just trauma from (ahem) acceleration: https://illuminatingfacts.com/the-train-speed-panic-why-peop... Reason that hysteria remains apropos now is that then, and now, we're figuring out how to deal with something beyond merely incremental change. Irony is roads and sidewalks should have changed much more. We neve…

You lost me when you said trains and cars shouldn’t go over 30mph. Lol, this sounds like Amish propaganda. Go buy your horse and buggy

What is worse? Amish propaganda or car industry propaganda?

While petrol as an energy source was ground breaking 150years ago, burning fossil fuels is a luddite thing and closer to Amish technology than current state of tech so I find it ironic to use them to make a point for fossil fuel usage.

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Post by nradov »

mirekrusin wrote: post #555
nradov wrote: post #542

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We have zero data points for AGI progress.

Progress is defined by capability data points over time that we have plenty where AGI is a threshold ie. stuff like METR [0] and dozens of others. [0] https://metr.org/time-horizons

None of those are AGI data point points. LLMs are making terrific progress but it's unknown whether they're progressing towards true AGI or in some other direction.

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Post by riazrizvi »

rufasterisco wrote: post #408
riazrizvi wrote: post #105

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Thank you! Okay yes well this manifesto is a contradiction. Yes good let's keep empowering ppl by putting AI into their hands, I love the opening. No bad we don't do that by handing you all our personal context to make these agents "work for us 24/7 to better our lives". I'm the agent doing that in my life, that's my fucking job. I will continue to use dumb agents that I direct, because only I retain ownership and so…

I don’t understand. The model is open, you can host it and use it without giving Meta anything. I’m not saying Meta is not eager to syphon data from users, but I don’t see how this happens via this specific product.

The intention is in black and white. The precedent of prior product design backs that up. The open models are great on their own but they are not the biggest part of the manifesto.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg attacks 'closed' AI rivals as Meta returns to open models

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Post by Danox »

Meta/Zuckerberg realized belatedly that AI models, which are currently in the process of rapidly becoming just a commodity product and that above all else is probably the main reason why Zuckerberg wrote that 6000 word term paper recently because he’s planning on pivoting away from Meta’s current money wasting AI approach.

He’s prepping Wall Street because Meta’s is going to layoff thousands of people in the coming months.

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