Maybe maybe given Amazon owns Anthropic, Mythos use which for me in 2 days equated to around 300 dollars (emd of the week I was about to hit my week limit). That is 1200 dollars a month on a 20 dollar plan. Im sure I was not the only one. So maybe this is a financial and marketing play.
Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models
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Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models
#582I'm sure Amazon was malicious just no sure if their goal while eliciting the government was to harm Anthropic or provide free marketing for a company they hold 20% and that accounts to 6% of their value.
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#583It's good to see companies thoroughly testing these models in ways that could be used against them, but this should've been something Anthropic did more of before releasing it in the first place. The standard they used for releasing Fable seems much lower than previous releases.
The skill floor for attackers has collapsed, and I think regulation against Anthropic is appropriate here - as much as I am generally against regulation!
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#584I still am struggling to understand why they informed the government about something that is known to be an issue in every LLM. There is no LLM that cannot be jailbroken, so unless this means that we have reached the absolute maximum publicly accessible US made LLMs are allowed to operate at with GPT 5.5, this is not grounded in any sane regulation attempt. Does anyone know what limits Fable 5 has overstepped in the…
This is obviously political and the entire narrative is fabrication. David Sacks is publicly gloating about it: https://x.com/DavidSacks/status/2065853007619588171 I can't really say that Anthropic didn't get what they deserved. They exploited security threats to sell their product and play political games, and now their rivals are rubbing it in their faces.
> This is obviously political and the entire narrative is fabrication.
I agree with this
> David Sacks is publicly gloating about it: https://x.com/DavidSacks/status/2065853007619588171
I do no like David Sacks but how do you say this is gloating about it?
Again, I do believe this is political, but Sacks is saying "you said this is dangerous and wanted regulation, and we believe you. Fix this because it's dangerous and we'll let it out again".
How is this gloating?
Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models
#585I still am struggling to understand why they informed the government about something that is known to be an issue in every LLM. There is no LLM that cannot be jailbroken, so unless this means that we have reached the absolute maximum publicly accessible US made LLMs are allowed to operate at with GPT 5.5, this is not grounded in any sane regulation attempt. Does anyone know what limits Fable 5 has overstepped in the…
Anthropic themselves have played up the dangers of Mythos, limited its release, etc. So if it can be jail broken then it specifically deserves controls, per Dario’s own manifestos. David Sacks - the “AI Czar” - also said the government asked Anthropic to patch the issue but they refused, which is bizarre. And that led to the export ban.
sama says think more about what direction you want to go in, and then go in that direction. Some people think in one direction and go in the opposite direction.
Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models
#586Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is obviously political and the entire narrative is fabrication. David Sacks is publicly gloating about it: https://x.com/DavidSacks/status/2065853007619588171 I can't really say that Anthropic didn't get what they deserved. They exploited security threats to sell their product and play political games, and now their rivals are rubbing it in their faces.
> This is obviously political and the entire narrative is fabrication. I agree with this > David Sacks is publicly gloating about it: https://x.com/DavidSacks/status/2065853007619588171 I do no like David Sacks but how do you say this is gloating about it? Again, I do believe this is political, but Sacks is saying "you said this is dangerous and wanted regulation, and we believe you. Fix this because it's dangerous a…
It is gloating in the context of it being the exact same form of dangerous as all the other frontier models out there?
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#587Earlier quoted context omitted.
Interesting. Hope there is any clarification on what "Mythos level" is and why 5.5-cyber doesn't arise to it. Any metric I could come up with (parameters, pre-train compute, benchmark scores, etc.) seems somewhere between imperfect and utterly nonsensical. Pure speculation, but GPT-5 series models including the new 5.5 pre-train appear far closer to Sonnet than Opus or Fable in pure parameter count, so maybe that's i…
Firefox bugs found per month, actively advertised as a sign of how powerful Mythos is: https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2F... I am, thus far, not aware of 5.5-Cyber managing anything similar to "Project Glasswing" That said, the government also knew about Mythos since Project Glasswing was announced... April 7th, two months ago, so if they wanted to block a public release, they had more than…
Let everyone feed their hardest problems for a week. Get their data for free without giving much in return. Just a thought.
Anyway you guys are trying to extrapolate reason and fairness from politics and bureaucratic logic. Amazon concerns even if unfunded triggered US Gov action which demanded Anthropic to pause Fable. Anthropic didn't comply and is being made an example via export restriction.
Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models
#588I still am struggling to understand why they informed the government about something that is known to be an issue in every LLM. There is no LLM that cannot be jailbroken, so unless this means that we have reached the absolute maximum publicly accessible US made LLMs are allowed to operate at with GPT 5.5, this is not grounded in any sane regulation attempt. Does anyone know what limits Fable 5 has overstepped in the…
I submitted separately, but this Axios report has some details that call a lot of the speculation in this thread into question, i.e. that this wasn't much of a "jailbreak" at all and that it's not Anthropic-specific - the White House intends to generally regulate Mythos-class models (whatever exactly that means): Between the lines: The government's response "seems way out of line with what's actually in the research…
The governments national security apparatus was using a public signal group and invited a reporter into it. I don't think we should use them as the standard for secure.
Re: Amazon CEO's talks with U.S. officials triggered crackdown on Anthropic models
#589Earlier quoted context omitted.
This is obviously political and the entire narrative is fabrication. David Sacks is publicly gloating about it: https://x.com/DavidSacks/status/2065853007619588171 I can't really say that Anthropic didn't get what they deserved. They exploited security threats to sell their product and play political games, and now their rivals are rubbing it in their faces.
> This is obviously political and the entire narrative is fabrication. I agree with this > David Sacks is publicly gloating about it: https://x.com/DavidSacks/status/2065853007619588171 I do no like David Sacks but how do you say this is gloating about it? Again, I do believe this is political, but Sacks is saying "you said this is dangerous and wanted regulation, and we believe you. Fix this because it's dangerous a…
> How is this gloating?
he is emphasizing that they used their own words against them. everyone knows the security threat is a pretext. the message is that he is smart and they are stupid and he won, which is what I call gloating.
> "Those trying to misdirect and tie this action to the prior DoW/Anthropic issues are wrong."
an obvious lie, which is inserted to emphasize that it is a lie. when you purposefully lie, not to deceive, but with the intent that the counter-party knows you are lying and must accept the lie, that is an assertion of power.