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Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Post by chainingsolid »

coffe2mug wrote: post #415
jo-m wrote: post #409

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What does locking down the device have to do with the CPU architecture?

ARM based devices don't have boot anything you want like x86 platform - in practice.

Adding to this.

x86 Most random Linuix ISOs will boot on anything. I've seen software compiled before the hardware had finished being designed boot just fine. (in the latest case lstopo was very confused, but everything still worked!)

ARM, I go looking for a build for my chip/device in particular.

x86 I just buy hardware and it works, ARM I check for OS builds before buying, and wonder if the builds will continue to get updates.....

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Post by giancarlostoro »

ExoticPearTree wrote: post #546

Call me a hater, but the problem is Windows, not necessarily the hardware. I get it they want to stop the MacBook Pro, but: Windows is slow for no reason; it collects everything it can about the user; takes screenshots of whatever the user is doing; has ads - even though you pay for the OS; drivers are still a mess; hardware is made by different companies and no actual proper integration like Apple does. I could go o…

I've stopped using Windows as a Microsoft fanboy (I use C# to put bread on my table). I loved Windows, I think it peaked at 8 (yeah I know, unpopular take!) because 10 started out niceish, but went downhill and has been going downhill since, and Windows 11 is similar, just downhill to the max.

I wish Microsoft would separate their marketing shenanigans from Windows more drastically and stop requiring online accounts. My OS should be able to fully install and function without any internet, and continue to do so.

I'll default to buying Macs and Linux first systems instead.

I do hope these new Nvidia laptops see Linux flavors, I'd love to buy one. Maybe System 76 might build one? Not sure.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Post by alsetmusic »

Wow, this is exciting to me as a Mac user. 2000 nits to Apple's 1600. 262 pixels per inch to Apple's 254. Mini LED vs Apple's XDR (I genuinely don't know enough about display tech to intelligently asses here, but I expect Mini LED to be superior; please correct me if I'm wrong). Unified memory up to 128GB (same).

I was excited about the ARM laptops that came out a couple of years ago because there were a lot of promises about them moving the industry forward. In the end, I think they were mostly nothing all that special. This, however, really appears to rock the boat. I want Apple to have to compete. I want the best Mac I can get and this laptop will challenge Apple to work harder. This is good for everyone.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Post by quintu5 »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #582
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #546

Call me a hater, but the problem is Windows, not necessarily the hardware. I get it they want to stop the MacBook Pro, but: Windows is slow for no reason; it collects everything it can about the user; takes screenshots of whatever the user is doing; has ads - even though you pay for the OS; drivers are still a mess; hardware is made by different companies and no actual proper integration like Apple does. I could go o…

I've stopped using Windows as a Microsoft fanboy (I use C# to put bread on my table). I loved Windows, I think it peaked at 8 (yeah I know, unpopular take!) because 10 started out niceish, but went downhill and has been going downhill since, and Windows 11 is similar, just downhill to the max. I wish Microsoft would separate their marketing shenanigans from Windows more drastically and stop requiring online accounts.…

You're the first person I've seen call out 10 as going downhill. What were your complaints about 10?

I migrated to macOS for development years ago and going back to Windows for development always felt gross, but I never had any issues with windows for entertainment/general productivity workflows. It's only once I tried 11 that I noped out for everything other than use as a Steam launcher.

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Post by dijit »

quintu5 wrote: post #585
giancarlostoro wrote: post #582

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've stopped using Windows as a Microsoft fanboy (I use C# to put bread on my table). I loved Windows, I think it peaked at 8 (yeah I know, unpopular take!) because 10 started out niceish, but went downhill and has been going downhill since, and Windows 11 is similar, just downhill to the max. I wish Microsoft would separate their marketing shenanigans from Windows more drastically and stop requiring online accounts.…

You're the first person I've seen call out 10 as going downhill. What were your complaints about 10? I migrated to macOS for development years ago and going back to Windows for development always felt gross, but I never had any issues with windows for entertainment/general productivity workflows. It's only once I tried 11 that I noped out for everything other than use as a Steam launcher.

10 was universally understood to be terrible, we're revising it to be good because we're comparing it with 11.

That was the start of telemetry, it was forced on people with an upgrade pop-over that if uncancelled would just upgrade your PC...

Windows 8 may have got rid of the start menu, and Windows 10 did bring it back, but in a weird hybrid form with "live tiles".

Home users lost the ability to defer or decline Windows Updates.

Windows 10 also shipped with pre-installed apps like Candy Crush, and later versions introduced adverts in the Start Menu...

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Post by dijit »

giancarlostoro wrote: post #582
ExoticPearTree wrote: post #546

Call me a hater, but the problem is Windows, not necessarily the hardware. I get it they want to stop the MacBook Pro, but: Windows is slow for no reason; it collects everything it can about the user; takes screenshots of whatever the user is doing; has ads - even though you pay for the OS; drivers are still a mess; hardware is made by different companies and no actual proper integration like Apple does. I could go o…

I've stopped using Windows as a Microsoft fanboy (I use C# to put bread on my table). I loved Windows, I think it peaked at 8 (yeah I know, unpopular take!) because 10 started out niceish, but went downhill and has been going downhill since, and Windows 11 is similar, just downhill to the max. I wish Microsoft would separate their marketing shenanigans from Windows more drastically and stop requiring online accounts.…

> I think it peaked at 8

Practically every benchmark agrees with you, aside from the Metro start menu, it was solid.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Post by OsrsNeedsf2P »

jjtheblunt wrote: post #580
Npovview wrote: post #552

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Similarly on the higher end, I want to run linux on Apple Macbook laptops.

I do this nonstop using the UTM app in Apple Silicon virtualization, not QEMU, mode. I've done this from M2, M2 Max, and M5 machines, it basically wraps the hypervisor.framework (or the current name) and i had used Asahi on an M1 before that. With UTM wrapping hypervisor.framework, i have a complete fullscreen desktop running Linux (i use fedora earlier but Arch the last several months) with full graphics as if it we…

Are you able to play Steam games?

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Post by giancarlostoro »

quintu5 wrote: post #585
giancarlostoro wrote: post #582

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've stopped using Windows as a Microsoft fanboy (I use C# to put bread on my table). I loved Windows, I think it peaked at 8 (yeah I know, unpopular take!) because 10 started out niceish, but went downhill and has been going downhill since, and Windows 11 is similar, just downhill to the max. I wish Microsoft would separate their marketing shenanigans from Windows more drastically and stop requiring online accounts.…

You're the first person I've seen call out 10 as going downhill. What were your complaints about 10? I migrated to macOS for development years ago and going back to Windows for development always felt gross, but I never had any issues with windows for entertainment/general productivity workflows. It's only once I tried 11 that I noped out for everything other than use as a Steam launcher.

> I noped out for everything other than use as a Steam launcher.

I definitely recommend you spend a weekend checking out either Ubuntu or EndeavourOS (Arch based) and install Steam, enable Proton for all games, and add the "bypass" for native games to play natively (I forget where this setting was) and you will be shocked how many games play on Linux just as well as they do on Windows, in some cases better.

Re: Microsoft builds MacBook Pro rival with NVIDIA-powered Surface Laptop Ultra

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Post by moomoo11 »

kakacik wrote: post #491
sandreas wrote: post #395

While I somehow like the fact that Microsoft is trying to compete, their problem stays the same: There are too many people involved. - Nvidia - Mediatek - Microsoft - Windows team - Surface team - Marketing team - ... The main advantage of Apple is and will be, that they control the hardware AND the software / firmware completely and can make devices that feel completely cohesive. That's the reason Framework has an a…

Yeah, apple, they can be huge a-holes simply because they can. Your integration story is nice, but same company does this actively: If you have airpods pro (2nd gen in this case) that kept working fine with apple phone, but then you got tired/annoyed/disgusted by their OS and ecosystem and migrated to Samsung S24 (my wife' story), those plugs effectively stop working via bluetooth. Disconnects, no good ANC, pairing i…

is this a story you hallucinated or something you actually experienced?
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