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Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

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Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

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Overall this bell seems like the wrong solution, and it took me a while to realize not every country has outlawed headphone wearing for bicyclists, something I guess I took for granted. It doesn't make sense for a car driven to use headphones, so not sure why it'd make sense for other vehicle-users to use them either, as you say, we really do use our ears to help navigate traffic so allowing people to be so careless…

It’s about pedestrians wearing the headphones.

Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

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It's unfortunate that this is necessary. It should be obvious that wearing noise cancelling headphones in trafic, including as a pedestrian, is a bad idea. I'm legally blind, so I have my own bias here, but I think people really over-rely on sight. If you do want to listen to something while walking around a city, I can highly recommend bone conduction headphones, that keep your ears unblocked.

There is, of course, at least one category that don’t over rely upon their hearing: deaf people.

Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

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Jokes on them for the wasted resources. If they don’t intend to market, I hope someone will. Where I live cyclists use ANC headphones all the time, and I’m tired of the near misses. Student cyclists that ignore the rules and wear ANC (or even large headphones) should be fined more often.

You seem to have misunderstood the invention. It’s not about cyclists wearing headphones.

Bicycle bells can be used to warn other cyclists

Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

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>My opinion as a cyclist is that I should basically only be using my bell on pedestrians when the pedestrians are wandering onto the bike lane. If im cycling through a shared space, I find it extremely rude to ring the bell, because it feels like I'm telling people to get out of my way, but they have just as much right to a shared path as I do. The culture around this varies a lot. I'm in Melbourne, Australia. Virtua…

I prefer to slow down and actually just say hello to them, they'll usually say sorry and I'm back on my way again. Just ringing a bell, or worse a horn, scares them and they need to turn round to figure out where you are and whether you're about to squash them. I don't feel I have the right to do that to someone just out enjoying a peaceful walk. On the other hand, I've been angered by dog owners when running who jus…

>Just ringing a bell, or worse a horn, scares them and they need to turn round to figure out where you are and whether you're about to squash them. I don't feel I have the right to do that to someone just out enjoying a peaceful walk.

Yes, it's very context-dependent. I'm going to behave very differently in an area where there are hundreds of cyclists every hour compared to a place where there might be one or fewer.

The real trick with bell ringing is to try to get the distance right. Too far away and they won't hear. Too close and it might startle them, and they won't have enough time to react properly.

Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

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No, every bike path in a city inevitably has crossings or is laid out next to a sidewalk. People just do their random-walk thing (Brownian motion, really, sometimes) and wander into the bike path.

Sometimes you clearly see more people on the bike paths than on the regular sidewalks. And I definitely attribute that to its smoother nature compared to the fake cobbles you have in many places, amplifyied if there is a baby stroller in the mix.

It's funny, because if that is true, it should give pause to city planners and officials: people prefer smooth sidewalks :-)

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Any innovation benefiting cyclists and coming from the auto industry is a way to move attention away from the fact that cars are the most dangerous thing on the road.

Well, obviously. What else did you expect to be the most dangerous thing on roads? Sharks?

Statistically the answer is probably cop cars or motorcycles.

Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

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… I have a modern bike (a Specialized). The tires' rated range is 75psi to 100psi. I usually pump it to around 80–85psi. The tires are 33mm.

You're overinflating your tires. A lower pressure will increase your speed and efficiency unless you're riding in a velodrome. Here's a video about this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7r8f3w89XeM (watch out, there's a lot of extra stuff in this video about the machine they use to measure efficiency)

(Well, they should tell the manufacturers…)

The video's result for both tires they tested was peak efficiency at 5 bar. They had a really coarse sampling of a whole bar, so that works out to a pressure of 65–80 psi.

Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

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Coincidentally, I bought a 12v car horn yesterday with the intent of wiring it into my ebike's power supply with a little button on my handlebars. Not because of other cyclists or pedestrians wearing (anc) headphones but because modern cars are so heavily sound-proofed they don't hear a bicycle bell anymore. A recent incident with an inattentive taxi driver in a brand new EV nearly flattening me prompted me to want t…

Yeas ago I motorcycled a lot, all over the world. I escalated to an air horn and hi-viz. But I pretty quickly realized that these made no tangible difference to the behavior of larger vehicle drivers. So I ended up for later vehicles with a stock horn and hi-viz only for heavy rain. These days our family cycles a lot for commuting. It’s really easy to observe that people in vehicles treat us far better if we look lik…

Second the fact that it's only useful for polite notice. Emergency, someone's already not paying attention and it's probably the car.

Car horns are useful warnings because speeds are higher and thus stopping time is longer--more opportunity for someone to hear and react.

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Sadly I had to kick a few cars that thought they could run me off my motorcycle. Worked every time. All of them didn't look out the window or they would have looked right into my face. Yelling and horn did absolutely nothing. Most of them were extremely apologetic or even shocked (as if I appeared from thin air). None of them were angry for scratching their door. Some people are just lost in thought it seems...

> or even shocked (as if I appeared from thin air) Motorcyclists are invisible. Never rely on others seeing you, ride as if they're an obstacle you have to navigate. You can hide a whole truck behind the A-pillar of modern cars, let alone a motorcycle. At certain angles, human eyes have complete blind spots that we're not aware of because our brain filters them out. Motorcycles fit perfectly into those. Never hover i…

Yup. If you don't have armor around you the only real defense is to assume you are invisible unless you know they've seen you or can't help but see you (for example, going in the traffic direction in front of a stopped car that's waiting to go--they're looking at the cars, they'll see anything else coming along.) Doesn't matter if you have wheels or feet under you, you still are invisible.

Re: Škoda DuoBell: A bicycle bell that penetrates noise-cancelling headphones

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Jokes on them for the wasted resources. If they don’t intend to market, I hope someone will. Where I live cyclists use ANC headphones all the time, and I’m tired of the near misses. Student cyclists that ignore the rules and wear ANC (or even large headphones) should be fined more often.

You seem to have misunderstood the invention. It’s not about cyclists wearing headphones.

I haven’t. It breaches through ANC, pedestrian or otherwise, which would help with cyclists as well.
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