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German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by sunshine-o »

snovymgodym wrote: post #517

Modern Germany will collapse in the face of any war that would justify conscription, so it's all a moot point anyway. The country is already in a slow burning crisis due to the political and economic results of its demography, and a war coming to its own soil will send the walls tumbling down.

Yes, my guess is most of western Europe would collapse after one or two weeks without electricity.

I have seen people acting really erratically just after a few hours without electrity and internet. Most people are so clueless they would quickly put their home on fire because they do not know how to safely use candles.

Also, just looking at what would happen to a large part of the population once they would run out of meds is terrifying. Heart medications, SSRI, anti psychotics. etc.

There is not gonna be a war in Europe like how WWI and II was described to us. It is gonna be far less heroic.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by [deleted] »

realityking wrote: post #566
sva_ wrote: post #524

The crazy thing to me is also that they slipped it into the law on January 1st, and our quality journalism (such as OP DW), for which we are forced to pay monthly fees, only reports about it now - and I'm fairly sure they didn't break the story, they caught onto it pretty late. Almost like by design. Oh yeah and the obvious discrimination. If you change your gender on paper now you probably won't be affected, but you…

Deutsche Welle is not funded by the “Rudfunkbeitrag” but part of the federal budgetz

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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by pfannkuchen »

vasac wrote: post #465
watwut wrote: post #441

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They dont need now. Germany is getting ready for being invaded by Russia, basically. They are also building mandatory military service.

Yes, the previous time they were getting ready it was because those pesky Poles being an inch away from invading the Third Reich.

I thought it was those pesky Poles refusing to provide a German land corridor to enable intra-territorial transit between Germany and Germany’s exclave East Prussia. That and ethnic Germans allegedly being harassed in Poland.

First one is definitely true and isn’t emphasized much and tbh I feel like that demand wasn’t unreasonable. Shipping people and things and providing defense would be a lot harder to an exclave than to contiguous territory. They did seriously overreact by invading, of course, and it seems like Mr H had some serious temperamental issues.

Second one I’ve never researched enough to know if it’s true or German propaganda.

I don’t recall the Germans ever claiming that Poland was about to invade them? Maybe I missed it.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by echoangle »

shikon7 wrote: post #513
vimbtw wrote: post #385

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It seems like the purpose is to have the law and all the paperwork set up as a precaution for the future. Sure, right now it’s all voluntary and just rubber stamping, but if in the future they need to do something like Ukraine and lock down travel for military aged men, it’s much easier to flip a switch and start denying travel permits rather than having to set up and fund an entirely new system for requiring travel…

Also, in that case, they know where all the men currently are, which is probably the main reason to implement it now. m

Well that’s the thing, they won’t know because nobody will do the registration until it’s actually enforced.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by wartywhoa23 »

RandomLensman wrote: post #555
wartywhoa23 wrote: post #529

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It's about time to finally grok that all world's military is only there to wage wars at the whim of the 0.001% under the guise of being defence-only, and that constitutions worth less than toilet paper these days.

What's an example of the German constitution being "worth less than toilet paper these days"?

There's none yet until there suddenly is.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by samus »

machomaster wrote: post #354
mikkupikku wrote: post #240

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We're not having this conversation in a cultural vacuum; men figure out at a young age that if things go to shit, their lives become expendable for the sake of the community. I view conscription as a form of slavery; something that I hope never happens to me or anybody, but could conceivably happen. That's the way the world has worked for thousands of years, and the Bayesian meme asks me to therefore bet on it contin…

Why should men sacrifice and die for nothing, by not getting anything in return, not even a simple appreciation? Why should only men die when things get tough? I also would much rather see other unknown women die, than to send myself or my son to die for them. Women need to pull their weight. And since they aren't doing that from the evolutional POV, neither in practice (birth crisis) nor in theory (not like giving b…

The right reaction about bad things happening to a percentage of the population is to get rid of it if at all possible, not making everybody suffer from it.

If you don't expect males to voluntarily sacrifice and die for the country, why would you expect women to suffer nine months of body horror (provocatively stated) and expend multiple years of full-time care to raise children?

> And since they aren't doing that from the evolutional POV, neither in practice (birth crisis) nor in theory (not like giving birth is a legal duty, unlike a draft), then they can at least be useful for a society as a cannon fodder.

Women already contribute to society by being in the work force. If you think that's not enough, then you should probably think about rewarding them for doing something else.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by shard972 »

nicbou wrote: post #574

I have been living in Germany for 11 years and qualify for citizenship. This is exactly the kind of thing that has stopped me. If this country goes to war, I'm out. My presence here has always been transactional when it benefited Germany. It will stay transactional when it benefits me.

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Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by wartywhoa23 »

layer8 wrote: post #550
wartywhoa23 wrote: post #529

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's about time to finally grok that all world's military is only there to wage wars at the whim of the 0.001% under the guise of being defence-only, and that constitutions worth less than toilet paper these days.

So what's your proposed solution? Not have a military and just roll over when someone decides to attack you?

My proposed solution is understanding what this scene means:

In front of a blood-stained chessboard littered with mutilated chess pieces finely dine two royal couples - black and white - cheering their endgame.

Re: German men 18-45 need military permit for extended stays abroad

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Post by [deleted] »

em-bee wrote: post #541
dmitrygr wrote: post #257

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Tie draft registration to voting registration. Equality before law, and all that

both are already tied to residence registration (which is mandatory in germany, because it defines where you pay taxes). there is no need to register for the draft. it is automatic, once you turn 18 you get the letter to get tested if you qualify.

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