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Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by x0x0 »

sellmethepen wrote: post #343
kyledrake wrote: post #157

The bulk of the comments in here are focused on comparing Larry Ellison to a lawn mower, so I'll try a new tack and say that I'm genuinely confused at what the value prop of Oracle is. Given the history of their business model being licensing of important databases that are hard to switch off of, I've actually made a point to avoid using Oracle as much as possible (even so far as to leave MySQL when they acquired it,…

There's more to it than just pure databases. They have a pretty large vertical of SaaS apps, specifically ERP. Oracle Saas (their ERP platform) is used by thousands of customers - these are systems implemented with SI's and run super critical functions like payroll, manufacturing, etc really hard to rip out once they're put in place. This has been fueling their growth for some time, and seems like OCI is picking up n…

Yeah, many of these comments are extremely misinformed. Oracle has been an application software vendor for a long time.

For example, Oracle sell Opera. Opera manages hotels, both individual and chains. And integrates with their amusement park management software.

People complain about them, but software like that is much closer to an sdk than a finished product. It is generally customized for each buyer for their needs. And the quality of the customization is more on the buyer than on Oracle.

Oracle have a giant suite of these products for POS, guest experiences, amusement parks, hospitality, marketing (b2b and b2c), etc. And companies buy from Oracle because they're not good at making software and because you do leverage some economies of scale.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by dominotw »

HDThoreaun wrote: post #565
dominotw wrote: post #505

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where do you pull 50 percent number for oracle?

Even if the number is 10% they want the company to take risks. Big tech shareholders number one goal is not becoming IBM

anyone can get any random shower thought funded by this logic. Thats not how investing works.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by jedberg »

ctxc wrote: post #476
jedberg wrote: post #261

My Amazon layoff notice came at 5am. Same deal. I thought it was fake because it came to my personal email. Then I logged into my work computer and found that all my email had been erased except for a copy of the layoff notice and an invite to a 10am Zoom with HR. The funny part was the invite had everyone who had been laid off in the To: line. I was able to send internal only emails until 1pm, and then it logged me…

I was going to type you a sympathetic message and took a peek at your profile, and...well that's quite a resume you got there!

Heh thank you. It was a few years ago that this happened, when they were doing the big RTO.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by HomeDeLaPot »

wiseowise wrote: post #316
sneak wrote: post #299

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Not really. You can quit at any time, too. A job today isn’t (and shouldn’t be) any guarantee of a job tomorrow.

> A job today isn’t (and shouldn’t be) any guarantee of a job tomorrow. Also relationships, kids and stability. Spend all your life in perpetual anxiety, rent all your life, you will own nothing and be happy! Also, here’s a bowl of insect protein while we’re at it.

You want the government to force employers to provide a social safety net rather than the government providing it directly?

The problem isn't that people can be fired, it's that their food, housing, and medical care are all dependent on or provided through their employer.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by bdangubic »

kyledrake wrote: post #157

The bulk of the comments in here are focused on comparing Larry Ellison to a lawn mower, so I'll try a new tack and say that I'm genuinely confused at what the value prop of Oracle is. Given the history of their business model being licensing of important databases that are hard to switch off of, I've actually made a point to avoid using Oracle as much as possible (even so far as to leave MySQL when they acquired it,…

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Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by macki0 »

ahtihn wrote: post #493
niek_pas wrote: post #406

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> As a result, today is your last working day. As a European, I never realized that this is allowed under US labor law. That is absolutely insane. EDIT: some commentors have pointed out that the workers collect severance and unemployment --- I was not aware this is law in California, and that changes matters. I would, though, still find being suddenly out of a job fairly traumatic.

As a European, this seems normal? When someone is fired, they generally stop working immediately while getting paid through the notice period.

The way this email is worded this would more likely be classified as a Redundancy as opposed to a Firing. So different laws/rules would apply

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by toast0 »

riffraff wrote: post #282
jollymonATX wrote: post #208

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They have not pulled the pin on the ZFS grenade yet, but I expect at some point it happens.

but what would be the blast radius for ZFS? Most enterprises don't seem to be running ZFS with Linux, and the only large target using FreeBSD I can think of is Netflix, but AFAIR they don't use ZFS either. Oracle sues when there's $$$ to make, but I don't think ZFS would warrant them much.

> the only large target using FreeBSD I can think of is Netflix, but AFAIR they don't use ZFS either.

I can't quite remember, but I think they might have mentioned using ZFS rather than UFS for the OS, but I'm pretty sure they're not using it for the CDN data partitions. I love ZFS, but for CDN nodes, I think it would be more harmful than helpful; especially how ARC is separate from the FreeBSD 'Unified Buffer Cache', and how much work Netflix has done to reduce the number of times data hits RAM on the way from disk to the user.

> Oracle sues when there's $$$ to make, but I don't think ZFS would warrant them much.

(Agreeing with you), if they are using ZFS for the OS and Oracle makes ZFS toxic, it shouldn't take long to ditch it.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by elorant »

kyledrake wrote: post #157

The bulk of the comments in here are focused on comparing Larry Ellison to a lawn mower, so I'll try a new tack and say that I'm genuinely confused at what the value prop of Oracle is. Given the history of their business model being licensing of important databases that are hard to switch off of, I've actually made a point to avoid using Oracle as much as possible (even so far as to leave MySQL when they acquired it,…

Support, that's what you'd use them for. Something breaks and your team can't figure it out? You make a phone call and someone will be there in a jiffy to work things out. And if he can't either they'll fly a whole team from a different city or even a different country until they solve it.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by elzbardico »

mft_ wrote: post #240
kyledrake wrote: post #157

The bulk of the comments in here are focused on comparing Larry Ellison to a lawn mower, so I'll try a new tack and say that I'm genuinely confused at what the value prop of Oracle is. Given the history of their business model being licensing of important databases that are hard to switch off of, I've actually made a point to avoid using Oracle as much as possible (even so far as to leave MySQL when they acquired it,…

They sell to cash-rich organisations who are a bit clueless about technology and so can't or wouldn't want to either roll their own, or go with a better but smaller provider? e.g. I was unsurprised when I spotted that Novartis (no connection, btw) was deep in with Oracle. Big pharma, lots of money, typically-clueless-big-org-IT-leadership, etc. (LOL, Novartis also uses SAP.)

Non-tech companies have bigger fish to fry in cost optimization than IT infrastructure.

For example, nobody buying, insuring and operating supertankers will care that much about Oracle licensing or even renewing a mainframe contract.

Re: Oracle slashes 30k jobs

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Post by bdangubic »

hn_acc1 wrote: post #488
reactordev wrote: post #323

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I was around back then and I call Bullshit on everything you claim. There were more database options in 2000 than there were in 1996. Even before that there was FoxPro… c’mon man. Oracle’s only value was they built a NO EXIT clause into their contracts…

Oracle was the ONLY game in town if you were serious. It was like buying IBM in the 80s. Source: programmed PL/SQL and embedded SQL at the Toronto Stock Exchange in the early 90s, on SCO Unix and Oracle.

it was soooooo the only game in town that they were like NVDA now, yea you got alternatives but you really don't and hence you charge insane prices and everyone is paying up with a grin on their faces. oracle was the only game in town 100% if you were serious!
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