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Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications. Spoken as someone who probably hasn't used iOS/Mac parental controls. It is a hot buggy mess that randomly blocks whitelisted applications as well. We use it, but it is a constant pain. Also a lot of applications only work half, e.g., TV apps blocking off all content rather than only content that is not age-appropria…

The addiction economy is hard to deal with for anyone - regardless of age. So, I agree this is definitely not a solved problem, but from what I see the only viable way forward is actually to do pretty drastic things like not own a smartphone.

Precisely, and those that claim to be immune are usually the most susceptible.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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I wouldn't be so sure, I think the ultimate goal is to link your network activity to your government id, just like the way it's done in China. So the only root left is the government basically.

Are we talking about what actually happened, or are we talking about doomsday fantasies?

we are talking about doomsday fantasies and equating them to doomsday fantasies about what is supposedly happening in china

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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Controlling what children do online is a solved problem: Parenting and parental control applications. Spoken as someone who probably hasn't used iOS/Mac parental controls. It is a hot buggy mess that randomly blocks whitelisted applications as well. We use it, but it is a constant pain. Also a lot of applications only work half, e.g., TV apps blocking off all content rather than only content that is not age-appropria…

Why are you giving your children access to any devices, online services, video games, social media? Seriously. There are mountains of evidence all of this is harmful to developing brains.

Why do people let tweens wander a mall unattended when there are things like brewery/restaurants inside? Because it's illegal to serve them alcohol and as a social convention you know they won't.

Society works a lot better when we make the few bad actors that are out to exploit children stop, and instead expect everyone to look out for them/generally behave in prosocial ways. Things stop working when we say "why wouldn't you assume everyone around you is out to harm your kids and act accordingly?"

We can just say "actually you're not allowed to put gambling in a game targeting 7 year olds".

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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You're trivializing how difficult tampering with OS internals in locked down secure boot environments can be. Just look at the state of Android custom roms. Devices that are years old can be impossible to modify the OS on.

Look at projects like byeDPI. Essentially, it's just a VPN service that runs on the phone itself. You phone connection is passed to this VPN that modifies http-headers. I kinda did forgot about Android, yeah. You can't exactly rewrite OS rules there. But it's no less trivial* on Android, you just have to solve it from different angle. * assuming someone will just write the app, and share it. But since similar project…

I admire your optimism.

All I can do is encourage you and others like you to ponder upon:

Google is trying to force all devs to have verified identies

Google and Apple and Microsoft already ban applications they simply don't like (violates their "policies") from their app stores

There will be attempts to close the holes when they come to the attention of "stakeholders"

The UK already wants to ban VPNs

And the aforementioned, you can't really enforce laws or policies like this without locking down the OS and hardware.

There's probably more indicators of what's coming down this path. It doesn't look good.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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They don't "hand out" anything really - probably the closest thing is government programmes to fund laptops/tablets for low income families, but not a single school locally "gives out" tablets to kids. But they're all just "normal retail" devices. They have some things used in lessons, but they're all given out at the beginning of the lesson, then gathered at the end. You could argue that it's a problem they they ass…

Again, this is not true. Some public schools do buy ipads and licenses and do hand them out and some times they're unlocked. You COULD do a basic google search and learn about the topic on the news, you're you don't actually care to learn, you're just spreading noise.

Again my experience with local schools doesn't match that, though I'd acknowledge that local authority can cause a lot of differences. And I'm talking about state schools - not public schools. Remember that means a very different thing in the UK, and might suggest your own distance from the claims you seem to be making.

And googling only seems to find examples of the low income programmes. I struggle to find a single instance when devices are handed out to kids and not keep at school and only used in specific tasks - like the old trolley of laptops was a few years ago.

Or breathless reactionary commentary without any actual examples of course.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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It's almost like a well-monied or well-connected lobbyist is pushing this heavily. Multiple contenders out there as to who it could be. But regardless of who the originator is, the push can be kneecapped. Imagine jurisdictions that have an opposite push - one that criminalizes use of age verification software such as mandating providing government ID or facial scans. It can be done!

It can't be done unless you have deeper pockets and access to media controlling the hard of thinking.

Incorrect!

There is an enormous amount of policy that doesn't require significant money to oppose this in your local jurisdictions! This is one of them.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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>I'm completely baffled why anyone still engages with the "official" framing around this. We all know how these laws are not meant to protect children. Then we decry the hypocrisy of it. And then we stop at that. So nobody is saying what needs to be said. These laws are explicitly designed to hurt children.

These laws have nothing to do with children. Neither protection nor malice. It's mass surveillance. Let's not get distracted.

What is the point of the mass surveillance in the first place? Control. Over what? Over human futures. Who will be hit worst by the mass surveillance regime? Those growing up under it.

For starters, an independent self-education will become impossible. Millions more young people would be forced to choose between becoming fluent in whatever maddening proprietary nonsenses their schools are paid to teach them - or ostracism and starvation. They would never know the validity that disintermediated computation lends to one's interior thought process. Many more people would grow into the world of ubiquitous multilevel gaslighting instead of the world of free thought. And that would be those children's life now.

Here's a bit of a doomsday scenario, you can pepper with it your dialogues with people thinking of the children too hard, and you may find their reactions enlightening.

As enmeshed as personal computing and mass media already are with personal life, it can take an organized e***s-minded outfit scant generations to literally devolve your children into a servile underclass. Simply by making access to computation a tightly controlled privilege, and using that to amplify social inequality. (While their own kids get to play out the fantasies dreamt up for them by the colonial laureates of yore, i.e. be immortal trillionaire wizard aristocrats who can work "magic" because they get to learn actual sciences and not just some ever-changing APIs to them. Which would probably fall apart in a few generations making a huge mess of things, potentially permanently bringing down the global supply chain by mass incompetence - but how could they care?)

This is a global legislative assault against the greatest novel liberty humanity has gained from technology for generations: the Internet is literally a means for anyone to project their disembodied thoughts at a distance! Whatever force is even capable of attacking that, it would not be playing for chump change. Nor is it likely to be the unimaginative sort of entity (unless, perhaps, these laws are part of an AGI bootstrapping itself throughout society?) which is why I'm being only slightly anxious about spitballing concrete patterns of defeat in view of it.

And even if we do not end up on the branch of reality where social inequality gets written into the genome and the bloody e***ists win - forcing minors to identify themselves online is sure to facilitate the global cultural conveyor belt that winds through Willy Wonka's Consent Factory Island and beyond.

Plenty of "think of the children" arguments either way if that's how they're playing it. It's a reflexive, non-rational argument, from the same firmware update as "your mom is sacred" (i.e. good luck being child or partner of abuser who had kids to become untouchable). So yeah, do think of the children. Think of their futures. You cowards.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

#589
As the founder of the stagex linux distribution, and a California resident, it is my personal position that I will never implement age verification nonsense, and no one can physically make me.

Our distribution has no centralized legal entity in any country, and our decentralized trust model requires signatures from multiple maintainers from multiple legal jurisdictions to sign code and reproducible builds to make changes so quite literally no single person has the power to change stagex alone.

I would genuinely be fascinated to see anyone attempt to make us do anything we don't want to do. I do hope California attempts to make me. I would make it my personal mission to drag them in court and make a spectacle of proving that I literally am unable to comply due to the design of the operating system.

Re: Ageless Linux – Software for humans of indeterminate age

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High power lasers reflect in unpredictable ways thereby endangering everyone around you. There are other options that don't risk bodily harm.

What are the options?

Most of the AI facial recognition cameras in the USA are from Flock and use small solar panels to keep the system battery charged. I've noticed that when I run small computers off small batteries and small solar panels even a bit of bird poop on the panel eventually causes the computer to run out of power. Bird poop, or bird poop simulants (like milk powder, black pepper, corn starch, water, wey powder) are non-destructive to solar panels or anyone's property. Sure would be cool if the birds would start helping.
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