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Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by Auracle »

estearum wrote: post #482
hunterpayne wrote: post #420

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I assure you that all the models have such biases. Ask any LLM who caused the most death in history and you will get skinny mustache man, an opinion any historian will tell you is wrong. He is in the top 5, but not the top of the table. That was clearly biased into the models in the same way Elon biases his models. I'm not defending this behavior but I don't know how you both get models that returned the sanitized an…

Claude: Mao, Ghengis, Stalin v Hitler (depending on how you count) Gemini: Same list (Hitler not at the top) + Leopold It’s funny when the “brutal facts” people get stuff wrong in such easily disprovable ways. I mean you literally could’ve typed the query into the LLMs before making this claim. Prompt I used: “ Which historical figure is responsible for the most human deaths? Rank the top 5” “Pure correctness gets yo…

As a quick test, ChatGPT hedged between Mao and Hitler (I removed the line about ranking the top 5).

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by tasty_freeze »

tptacek wrote: post #525
keeda wrote: post #507

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Is there anything from Dan Luu you could point me offhand at about Twitter's culture? The only thing I recall was a blog about technical issues but that didn't seem to have much bearing on the culture. My understanding is Twitter always had cultural issues but it was not very different from other tech companies of the time, and what most of us would consider "directionally correct." I have it on pretty good authority…

I have no idea what Musk did or didn't say. I don't pay attention to him; I think he's odious. But he did cut more than half the entire workforce and the service works as well as it ever has, which is pretty damning. I'm not willing tie myself into the pretzel required to explain how antebellum Twitter was well-managed given that. There's some fraction of that workforce that supported projects intended to make Twitte…

Many of the workforce he laid off were content moderators -- I've read it was a serious effort with a large number of people doing thankless work. There is now way more anti-Semitic content on X, more racial insults, etc.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by kennywinker »

tmp10423288442 wrote: post #550
kennywinker wrote: post #414

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> and they reject edits that go against their views Citation needed. See what i did there ;) They reject edits that go against their views on tone and sourcing not political views that i am aware of - i am sure it happens from time to time but unless there’s a consistant bias in one direction this isn’t a valid criticism of the political neutrality of wikipedia. Even if there is rampant bias in wikipedia, that’s a re…

I would prefer to fork Wikipedia as well, but in practice I don't think that works, given the many failed Wikipedia forks of the past 20 years. On the internet, the only way to get any alternative to a widely-used source like Wikipedia is to use a significantly different approach. Otherwise, you just look like a cheap knockoff, even to people who might otherwise agree with your approach. Worse is better, after all -…

Well, here’s hoping grokpedia goes and joins the rest of the failed attempts.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by tptacek »

tasty_freeze wrote: post #582
tptacek wrote: post #525

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I have no idea what Musk did or didn't say. I don't pay attention to him; I think he's odious. But he did cut more than half the entire workforce and the service works as well as it ever has, which is pretty damning. I'm not willing tie myself into the pretzel required to explain how antebellum Twitter was well-managed given that. There's some fraction of that workforce that supported projects intended to make Twitte…

Many of the workforce he laid off were content moderators -- I've read it was a serious effort with a large number of people doing thankless work. There is now way more anti-Semitic content on X, more racial insults, etc.

Come on. No they weren't.

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Post by novok »

mlinhares wrote: post #438
echelon wrote: post #375

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Why did Tesla work initially? Because they were first to market and people were willing to overlook flaws? When did it start falling apart? Why hasn't the same happened to SpaceX? (Gov contracts, too big to fail, national defense, no competition yet, etc.?) And honestly, why hasn't anyone domestically put up a decent fight against Tesla? Best I can think of is Rivian, and those have their own issues.

Tesla won because Elon is a great seller, the product is mediocre at best but I’ve heard many times from friends that it was the same quality as a Mercedes Benz, so the reality distortion field is very real. And Americans in general don’t want electric cars for some reason. I’m happily driving my Buzz and charging on my solar panels instead of paying 5 bucks a gallon on diesel. The propaganda here is strong and peopl…

I did a research project of cars that actually have decent auto lane following distance keeping cruise control for my 1hr highway commute, and tried out a few in a rental cars (hyundai and kia) and a tesla model y and tesla really is the best that is out there unless you want to potentially spend a lot more to get something that comes close. A friend of mine has done many long cross country road trips no problem with just autopilot.

GM Supercruise and Ford Bluecruise are the current competition it seems, with BMW, subaru and mercedes being behind those 2. I haven't driven with them although to personally compare yet.

Even though the interior is a bit lower quality, there isn't very much quite like it on the market. It also fits an almost 7 ft surfboard inside comfortably, is a nice car to sleep in for car camping and you can get a model Y for less than $20k used now.

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Post by bdangubic »

dmarcos wrote: post #530
bdangubic wrote: post #517

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> Sales don't make people want things they otherwise don't. That is exactly what sales do. most sales are made sellings things to people they don’t want, until sales does what sales does

So people spent 60k on a cybertruck they don’t want? Do you believe that?

look around your house and see how much shit you got that you really want(ed). great salesman (and elon is the best in the history of the civilization) will sell you shit you never thought you wanted :)

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Post by boc »

hooch wrote: post #242
LZ_Khan wrote: post #190

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After seeing the type of people he hired for doge.. yikes.

Was doge ever anything more than a "get root, grab the data, and run" operation?

Maybe, but destroying USAID was an unforgivable sin. Short of nukes, rapidly turning off direct medical and food aid that people in critical need have relied on for years is objectively one of the fastest way to kill millions of people.

Re: Elon Musk pushes out more xAI founders as AI coding effort falters

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Post by metalcrow »

d0odk wrote: post #488
hananova wrote: post #451

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Ethically, if you do not agree with the company you work at, the optimal course of action if you can stomach it is to stay and do a bad job rather than get replaced by someone who might do a good job. I have been in such a situation before, and while I was not able to coast along until the company went under, the time delta between me getting fired and the company going under was measured in weeks. In hindsight I'd p…

Ethically, if you extend this reasoning, are we not obligated to find a position in the most morally repulsive organization we are aware of, and then coast?

well not coast, the intent is sabotage
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