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Re: The MacBook Neo

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Post by whyenot »

dangus wrote: post #330
nottorp wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you ask me, all web devs should be forced to work on 4 Gb machines. This way you'll be able to run more than one "web app" at the same time on your devices.

That's dumb. You can hardly even buy a machine with 4GB of memory on sale, at any price. If you are making products that depend on people spending money on them, you generally don't have to care about broke people with 15 year old computers.

How much memory does your parents and grandparents computers have? There are a lot of people out there with older computers, probably even some that you know :)

Re: The MacBook Neo

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Post by wpm »

mmcnl wrote: post #279
hadlock wrote: post #220

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I generally run chrome/firefox and vscode full screen, and then alt-tab between those and my email (outlook at current company) and messaging (slack). Plus terminal window/s. That workflow is mostly reproducible across win/mac/linux. What features are you using that MacOS is getting in the way?

Decent package manager, brew is awful compared to apt. Window snapping can only be done on Apple keyboards not on external keyboards. No Alt+Tab, Cmd+Tab is not the same. No window previews when hovering over dock, ridiculous animation speed when switching workspaces that can't be changed (and somehow Ctrl+1/2/3 is 2x faster than Ctrl+Left/Right? What is that all about). Needing third-party apps for basic things like…

Macports is alive and well and works great.

Re: The MacBook Neo

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Post by rtpg »

hinkley wrote: post #570
rtpg wrote: post #568

I still can't get over how this thing is priced the same as the 2013 Macbook Air... when looking at JPY prices. I wonder how much of the Neo pricing wow factor is Apple taking advantage of the strong dollar vs much else that's changed on the ground (obv the processor pick is a "real thing")

Welcome to being old. Inflation is cumulatively 40% since 2013.

Well the Macbook Air pricing in USD was always around $1000 right?

2013 MBA pricing in USD was $1100

2013 MBA pricing in JPY was 110k JPY

2026 Macbook Neo pricing in JPY is ~100k JPY

2026 Macbook Neo pricing in USD is $600

2026 Macbook Air pricing in JPY is ~140k JPY

2026 Macbook Air pricing in USD is ..~$1100

So depending on the currency either the Neo is a massively cheaper thing or filling a gap in a product line that inflation created.

I wonder how much of Apple's costs are USD-denominated. The fact that the MBA hasn't changed pricing at all makes me guess that not that much, but I don't know how manufacturing contracts work

I dunno, I find it interesting, but JPY inflation is a recent phenomenon

Re: The MacBook Neo

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Post by nottorp »

nerdjon wrote: post #267
nottorp wrote: post #171

So the force touch stuff has also been available on Apple laptop trackpads? Damned if i ever noticed, and all my laptops since like 2013 have been Apple. I knew I had it on one of my previous iPhones but there it was an annoyance because I never knew what was going to happen on a touch.

It is also a critical part of watchOS. I am still sad that they stopped putting it into iPhone, I think the tech is great and the watch really proves what can be done with it when it is a fundamental part of the hardware and the OS can be built around it. But we never had a situation that every compatible iPhone had force touch so everything that could be done with it had to work in other ways. I think the iPad made…

> I am still sad that they stopped putting it into iPhone

Well I'm not, because i only managed to register a force touch when i meant a normal touch :)

Re: The MacBook Neo

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Post by benjiro3000 »

thewebguyd wrote: post #339
enraged_camel wrote: post #296

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>> The number of overlapping iPad models and variants, for example, is getting kind of crazy these days. One of the first things Steve Jobs immediately did after returning to Apple in 1997 was to kill most of Apple's product line-up, which had exploded in his absence. Too bad he's not around to save them from the same over-segmentation anymore.

The goal is different. Jobs wanted to make the product spread simple to understand. Apple's current method is a pricing ladder, make it simple to spend $200+ more than you planned. MacBook Neo, $599. Great but maybe I want Touch ID & more storage, ok $699. Well at this point now it's "only" $300 to get the air which is much better. Well, now that you're already spending $1000, might as well just do the extra $500 and…

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Re: The MacBook Neo

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Post by xp84 »

bombcar wrote: post #525
xp84 wrote: post #277

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> $500 for something entry level but very high quality that can run Google Chrome but also a vast library of well-designed native software A vast library? With 8GB of RAM and 256GB of storage you're not going to be running much, nor storing many files created by that library of software. Also, the only well-designed truly native software I have on my Mac, which I use daily, I can count on one hand. The vast majority…

If it runs 4 year old software then you'll likely have a "vast library" available. This machine is on-par with the "world breaking" top performance M1 laptops when they came out; now it is "insufficient".

8GB was a sad amount of RAM back then, and it's still a sad amount now. Ditto for the storage. I'm not complaining about the CPU at all, it's fine. I use an M1 daily, and for work just an M1 Pro and both are fine.

I know there's a RAM shortage. But if RAM didn't matter, Apple wouldn't have stopped shipping 8GB configurations in the rest of their line. Starving these of RAM and storage is the way they've chosen to protect their fat margins of the MacBook Air. Which is fine. I just think these are best recommended only with a giant asterisk that they're for web tasks only, exactly like a Chromebook.

Re: The MacBook Neo

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Post by cromka »

commandersaki wrote: post #91
pupppet wrote: post #22

Microsoft will respond to this by furiously adding more garbage to Windows.

Needs more javascript for native functions in the OS.

idk, Gnome is full of javascript and is snappy! Don't think it's the language itself, the bloat must come from elsewhere

Re: The MacBook Neo

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Post by NetMageSCW »

jsheard wrote: post #145
pjmlp wrote: post #15

All these PC can't compete reviews are based on US prices, outside it is ridiculous expensive for a 8 GB laptop.

I can't be the only one who remembers the celebration 18 months ago when Apple finally stopped selling Macs with 8GB of memory... only for 8GB to suddenly be excused again when the Neo arrived. Perhaps it's not the same people but the general vibe is giving me whiplash.

Because people can’t differentiate between the cheapest MacBook available, then or now, and what they may need? For some reason they think it’s okay to expect Apple to give them stuff for free.

Re: The MacBook Neo

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Post by NetMageSCW »

kreco wrote: post #188
jsheard wrote: post #145

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I can't be the only one who remembers the celebration 18 months ago when Apple finally stopped selling Macs with 8GB of memory... only for 8GB to suddenly be excused again when the Neo arrived. Perhaps it's not the same people but the general vibe is giving me whiplash.

8GB is aweful. If you don't do a single task. But nice for Apple. Millions of replacement on the Neo 16GB release next year I guess.

You guess wrong.
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