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Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by germandiago »

tedsanders wrote: post #220
Imnimo wrote: post #16

I don't see how OpenAI employees who have signed the We Will Not Be Divided letter can continue their employment there in light of this. Surely if OpenAI had insisted upon the same things that Anthropic had, the government would not have signed this agreement. The only plausible explanation is that there is an understanding that OpenAI will not, in practice, enforce the red lines.

I'm an OpenAI employee and I'll go out on a limb with a public comment. I agree AI shouldn't be used for mass surveillance or autonomous weapons. I also think Anthropic has been treated terribly and has acted admirably. My understanding is that the OpenAI deal disallows domestic mass surveillance and autonomous weapons, and that OpenAI is asking for the same terms for other AI companies (so that we can continue compe…

To me it looks weird that a replacement won't accept Dept of War terms. This was the source of the dispute so...

I do not know but I would not very optimistic about those new terms.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by raw_anon_1111 »

Imnimo wrote: post #16

I don't see how OpenAI employees who have signed the We Will Not Be Divided letter can continue their employment there in light of this. Surely if OpenAI had insisted upon the same things that Anthropic had, the government would not have signed this agreement. The only plausible explanation is that there is an understanding that OpenAI will not, in practice, enforce the red lines.

> I don't see how OpenAI employees who have signed the We Will Not Be Divided letter can continue their employment there in light of this

https://www.levels.fyi/companies/openai/salaries

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by miltonlost »

tedsanders wrote: post #359
az226 wrote: post #344

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Your ballooned unvested equity package is preventing you from seeing the difference between “our offering/deal is better” and “designated supply chain risk and threatening all companies who do business with the government to stop using Anthropic or will be similarly dropped” (which is well past what the designation limits). It’s easier being honest.

The supply chain risk stuff is bogus. Anthropic is a great, trustworthy company, and no enemy of America. I genuinely root for Anthropic, because its success benefits consumers and all the charities that Anthropic employees have pledged equity toward. Whether Anthropic’s clear mistreatment means that all other companies should refrain from doing business with the US government isn’t as clear to me. I can see argument…

> Whether Anthropic’s clear mistreatment means that all other companies should refrain from doing business with the US government isn’t as clear to me.

You're conflating the Trump administration and their fascist tendencies with all US government. You want to work for fascists if you get paid well enough. You can admit that on here.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by NewsaHackO »

segmondy wrote: post #283
tedsanders wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an OpenAI employee and I'll go out on a limb with a public comment. I agree AI shouldn't be used for mass surveillance or autonomous weapons. I also think Anthropic has been treated terribly and has acted admirably. My understanding is that the OpenAI deal disallows domestic mass surveillance and autonomous weapons, and that OpenAI is asking for the same terms for other AI companies (so that we can continue compe…

You can't be this naive?

His point reeks of cope. But making a large amount of money would make anyone dumb, deaf, and blind. Also, I give a little leeway to people who are employees without executive decision-making power, as they do stand to have a lot to lose in situations like this.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by petre »

pbhjpbhj wrote: post #451
chrisfosterelli wrote: post #280

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree with what you're saying, but given the egos involved in the current admin there's a practical interpretation: 1. Department of War broadly uses Anthropic for general purposes 2. Minority interests in the Department of War would like to apply it to mass surveillance and/or autonomous weapons 3. Anthropic disagrees and it escalates 4. Anthropic goes public criticizing the whole Department of War 5. Trump sees a…

>5. Trump sees a political reason Like, they haven't paid me a bribe? That seems to be the only "politics" at play in Trumps head.

Nah, they just respectfully said no to their face, which prompted him to make a big threat display and post another message with caps and exclamation signs on social media.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by RandomTisk »

baconner wrote: post #235
tedsanders wrote: post #220

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm an OpenAI employee and I'll go out on a limb with a public comment. I agree AI shouldn't be used for mass surveillance or autonomous weapons. I also think Anthropic has been treated terribly and has acted admirably. My understanding is that the OpenAI deal disallows domestic mass surveillance and autonomous weapons, and that OpenAI is asking for the same terms for other AI companies (so that we can continue compe…

Respectfully, it's very hard to see how anyone could look at what just happened and come to the conclusion that one company ends up classed a "supply chain risk" while another agrees the the same terms that led to that. Either the terms are looser, they're not going to be enforced, or there's another reason for the loud attempt to blacklist Anthropic. It's very difficult to see how you could take this at face value i…

There's a critical mass of Trump Derangement Syndrome in SV, as this site exemplifies almost daily. The amount of vitriol and hatred spewed here is not healthy, nor are those who spew it. It kills rational debate, nuance and leads to foolish choices like someone cutting off their nose to spite their face as the old saying goes.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by mpalmer »

spongebobstoes wrote: post #579
mpalmer wrote: post #516

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"OAI wins by playing the government's game" is such a catastrophically bad take. > anthropic has ruined their relationship with the US govt, giving oai a good negotiating hand You want to try defending this ridiculous statement a bit more thoroughly? For a start, the designation by the government of a company as a supply chain risk is not a negotiating tool. It may well be found to be arbitrary and capricious once th…

you're right, supply chain risk is not a negotiating tool. it's spite after talks have ended. it indicates a ruined relationship the oai deal is similar, but it includes technical safeguards. I think anthropic would have wanted the oai deal the deal was not only successful because the govt is rebounding. the miltary prefers boundaries to be technical, not contractual they can try using it, and trust that it will only…

> supply chain risk is not a negotiating tool. it's spite after talks have ended.

No. It's unlawful abuse of power.

> the miltary prefers boundaries to be technical, not contractual

That's nice for the military. Meanwhile, Anthropic has the right to refuse the use of its IP without being subject to punishment by the government.

You seem to me to be irretrievably "deal-brained", and not at all concerned about the obvious abuse of power by the government here, or the constant display of bad faith by gov't officials.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by tmpz22 »

Rebuff5007 wrote: post #342
baconner wrote: post #235

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Respectfully, it's very hard to see how anyone could look at what just happened and come to the conclusion that one company ends up classed a "supply chain risk" while another agrees the the same terms that led to that. Either the terms are looser, they're not going to be enforced, or there's another reason for the loud attempt to blacklist Anthropic. It's very difficult to see how you could take this at face value i…

> it's very hard to see how anyone could look at what just happened I think what you are missing is their annual comp with two commas in it.

Lets be real one comma is enough for most Americans to flee their own humanity.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by mindcandy »

MostlyStable wrote: post #270
quantumwannabe wrote: post #118

More details on the difference between the OpenAI and Anthropic contracts from one of the Under Secretaries of State: >The axios article doesn’t have much detail and this is DoW’s decision, not mine. But if the contract defines the guardrails with reference to legal constraints (e.g. mass surveillance in contravention of specific authorities) rather than based on the purely subjective conditions included in Anthropic…

Even this most-charitable-possible (to DoW) explanation does not even come close to justifying the supply chain risk designation. It is absolutely enough (and honestly more than enough) for a contract cancellation and a switch to a competitor. DoW could have done that for any reason at all, or no reason at all. If they had issues with Anthropics terms, they 100% should have done that. Nothing in the quoted text comes…

The DoW is engaging in simple crybullying. In my time as an online moderator I see it all the time.

“You are impinging on my freedom to force you to participate in activities you have expressly indicated it is against your will to engage in! You bully! I am such a victim!”

https://xcancel.com/SecWar/status/2027507717469049070?s=20

This is endemic of the entire current administration. It is as disappointing as it is unsurprising.

Re: OpenAI agrees with Dept. of War to deploy models in their classified network

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Post by GorbachevyChase »

WarmWash wrote: post #569
syllogism wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't understand how any sort of deal is defensible in the circumstances. Government: "Anthropic, let us do whatever we want" Anthropic: "We have some minimal conditions." Government: "OpenAI, if we blast Anthropic into the sun, what sort of deal can we get?" OpenAI: "Uh well I guess I should ask for those conditions" Government: blasts Anthropic into the sun "Sure whatever, those conditions are okay...for now." By…

From a level headed outside perspective It looks like Anthropic likely wanted to be able to verify the terms on their own volition whereas OpenAI was fine with letting the government police themselves. From the DoD perspective they don't want a situation, like, a target is being tracked, and then the screen goes black because the Anthropic committee decided this is out of bounds.

I don’t know why more people don’t see this. It’s a matter of providing strong guarantees of reliability of the product. There is already mass surveillance. There is already life taking without proper oversight.
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