The overhyped AI bubble needs to pop already.
Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%
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#582These changes are effective April 1st for existing and new customers. The price increase ratios are also different across product lines. * Cloud (VMs): 38% * Bare metal: 15% * Memory add-on for bare metal: 575% (effective immediately) It feels like memory add-on is intentionally set high to discourage customers from adding more memory. AX102 (128 GB RAM) costs €124, AX162 (256 GB RAM) costs €244, but the 128 GB memor…
> * Memory add-on for bare metal: 575% (effective immediately)
> It feels like memory add-on is intentionally set high to discourage customers from adding more memory.
List price on Dell's website for servers is about $100/GB for RAM. Woof.
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#583A significant part of this is probably just the hockey-stick growth in the price of memory we have seen in the past 6 months. Would be surprised if this wasn't impacting their bottom line for maintenance.
Right, this is what they said in the customer notification email I got today:
“The underlying causes of the increased costs are, among others, the exploding demand for AI-related computing power and for cloud services. In addition, raw material prices and production costs have also generally risen for manufacturers. The costs for RAM and SSDs especially have risen by a large amount. For example, the cost for DRAM memory has increased up to 500% since September 2025. And according to market researchers like TrendForce, this price trend will continue throughout the year.”
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#584Re: Hetzner Prices increase 30-40%
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Are you sure? I'd think producing any RAM chips at all is much harder than scaling up a working production process.
Yes, I'm pretty confident you don't know anything about manufacturing at scale. Say you use a magic wand and build 15 new state-of-the-art factories tomorrow. Who's gonna run them? Does any location in the US have enough qualified workers that can simply take over and produce RAM in them from day 1 with no major fuckups? No, you need a ton of time to teach thousands of people how to run those 15 factories. To even be…
Not to mention, given recent US immigration enforcement actions at various manufacturing plants, you can't even safely bring in overseas workers to train your domestic workforce...
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> It seems we will run out of hardware by March? What happens when an unstoppable force (building everything in Electron because hardware is cheap) meets an immovable object (oh no hardware is expensive now)?
consumer RAM is not what's creating shortage. Data centers doesn't run electron to train the model or for inference
The problem is manufactures are shifting their production capacities towards the more profitable, high-performance "AI" components.
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#587A significant part of this is probably just the hockey-stick growth in the price of memory we have seen in the past 6 months. Would be surprised if this wasn't impacting their bottom line for maintenance.
Is there also an increase in non-US hosting demand?
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#589Earlier quoted context omitted.
People keep parroting this but I don't see GPU prices sorting themselves out.
“Parroting” is not very constructive language but I will respond. How would you propose solving it? My opinion is that government cannot solve the problem better than the market. That’s not to say the market is ideal or perfect but one of the better tools available. GPU prices might stay high for a number of years. I don’t think that is inherently bad. Constraints breed innovation and help guide market participants i…
It (GPU prices getting out of hand) started when, 2012? What's constructive in saying "the market will correct itself" after 14 years of no sign of that happening?
I don't know what the solution is since I'm not an economist, but I also don't have to be a pilot to declare someone fucked up when I see a helicopter on a tree.
EVs are a very tangible thing that are on the road, compare that with crypto and NFT which is ??????
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Whoa: is this the only possible form of cooling? What if there were a cooler that somehow didn't evaporate water, you might even call it a "dry cooler" - that would be a sweet invention. This might even be required in areas where adiabatic cooling isn't effective (humid climates)!
Even if the ambient relative humidity is near 100%, water's latent heat of vaporization is nothing to shake a stick at. I like the idea of a giant heat pump into the ground, but heat exchangers are expensive and so is digging.
Nobody is talking about a giant ground-exchange heat pump: liquid-to-air dry coolers exist and are used everywhere. Adiabatic cooling is just cheaper.