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Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by superfrank »

znzjzjsj wrote: post #416
vivzkestrel wrote: post #6

I still dont understand the hype for any of this claw stuff

The creator was hired by OpenAI after coincidentally deciding codex was superior to all other harnesses not long before. It’s mostly marketing. Still an interesting idea but it’s not really novel or difficult. Well, doing it securely would actually be incredibly impressive and worth big $$$.

The creator has an estimated net worth of $50 million to $200 million prior to Open AI hiring him. If you listen to any interviews with him, doesn't really seem like the type of person who's driven by money and I get the impression that no matter what OpenAI is paying him, his life will remain pretty much unchanged (from a financial perspective at least).

He also still talks very fondly about Claude Code and openly admits it's better at a lot of things, but he thinks Codex fits his development workflow better.

I really, really don't think there's a conspiracy around the Codex thing like you're implying. I know plenty of devs who don't work for OpenAI who prefer Codex ever since 5.2 was released and if you read up a little on Peter Steinberger he really doesn't seem like the type of person who would be saying things like that if he didn't believe them. Don't get me wrong, I'm not fan boy-ing him. He seems like a really quirky dude and I disagree with a ton of his opinions, but I just really don't get the impression that he's driven by money, especially now that he already had more than he could spend in a lifetime.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by tabs_or_spaces »

raincole wrote: post #417
tabs_or_spaces wrote: post #408

> on a quick skim NanoClaw looks really interesting in that the core engine is ~4000 lines of code After all these years, why do we keep coming back to lines of code being an indicator for anything sigh.

> fits into both my head and that of AI agents Why are you not quoting the very next line where he explains why loc means something in this context?

> For example, on a quick skim NanoClaw looks really interesting in that the core engine is ~4000 lines of code (fits into both my head and that of AI agents, so it feels manageable, auditable, flexible, etc.) and runs everything in containers by default. I also love their approach to configurability - it's not done via config files it's done via skills! For example, /add-telegram instructs your AI agent how to modify the actual code to integrate Telegram.

Here's the next line and the line after that. Again, LOC is really not a good measurement of software quality and it's even more problematic if it's a measurement of one's ability to understand a codebase.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by deepsquirrelnet »

bigyabai wrote: post #399
deepsquirrelnet wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The DoDs recent beef with Anthropic over their right to restrict how Claude can be used is revealing. > Though Anthropic has maintained that it does not and will not allow its AI systems to be directly used in lethal autonomous weapons or for domestic surveillance Autonomous AI weapons is one of the things the DoD appears to be pursuing. So bring back the Skynet people, because that’s where we apparently are. 1. http…

It turned out that the Pentagon just ignored Anthropic's demands anyways: https://www.wsj.com/politics/national-security/pentagon-used... I really doubt that Anthropic is in any kind of position to make those decisions regardless of how they feel.

I don’t disagree, but they should be. Last I knew, the government doesn’t control the means of production… and the current US regime loves to boast about it. Confusing right?

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by andoando »

YeGoblynQueenne wrote: post #276
mattlondon wrote: post #31

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I think for me it is an agent that runs on some schedule, checks some sort of inbox (or not) and does things based on that. Optionally it has all of your credentials for email, PayPal, whatever so that it can do things on your behalf. Basically cron-for-agents. Before we had to go prompt an agent to do something right now but this allows them to be async, with more of a YOLO-outlook on permissions to use your creds,…

I think this is absolute madness. I disabled most of Windows' scheduled tasks because I don't want automation messing up my system, and now I'm supposed to let LLM agents go wild on my data? That's just insane. Insanity. Edit: I mean, it's hard to believe that people who consider themselves as being tech savvy (as I assume most HN users do, I mean it's "Hacker" news) are fine with that sort of thing. What is a person…

Whats it got to do with being a nerd? Just a matter of risk aversity.

Personally I dont give a shit and its cool having this thing setup at home and being able to have it run whatever I want through text messages.

And it's not that hard to just run it in docker if you're so worried

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by baw-bag »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #26

So what is a "claw" exactly? An ai that you let loose on your email etc? And we run it in a container and use a local llm for "safety" but it has access to all our data and the web?

I read all 500+ comments at the time of writing and I don't understand. Something about something, with people saying something isn't a claw.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by throwaway13337 »

stephen_cagle wrote: post #576
throwaway13337 wrote: post #529

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This is the future we need to make happen. I would love to subscribe to / pay for service that are just APIs. Then have my agent organize them how I want. Imagine youtube, gmail, hacker news, chase bank, whatsapp, the electric company all being just apis. You can interact how you want. The agent can display the content the way you choose. Incumbent companies will fight tooth and nail to avoid this future. Because it'…

Biggest question I have is maybe... just maybe... LLM's would have had sufficient intelligence to handle micropayments. Maybe we might not have gone down the mass advertising "you are the product" path? Like, somehow I could tell my agent that I have a $20 a month budget for entertainment and a $50 a month budget for news, and it would just figure out how to negotiate with the nytimes and netflix and spotify (or what…

Maybe we needed to go through this dark age to appreciate that sort of future.

This sort of thing is more attractive now that people know the alternative.

Back then, people didn't want to pay for anything on the internet. Or at least I didn't.

Now we can kill the beasts as we outprice and outcompete.

Feels like the 90s.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by theptip »

claytonaalves wrote: post #219

I'm impressed with how we moved from "AI is dangerous", "Skynet", "don't give AI internet access or we are doomed", "don't let AI escape" to "Hey AI, here is internet, do whatever you want".

> we moved from "AI is dangerous"

There was never consensus on this. IME the vast majority of people never bought in to this view.

Those of us who were making that prediction early on called it exactly like it is: people will hand over their credentials to completely untrustworthy agents and set them loose, people will prompt them to act maximally agentic, and some will even prompt them to roleplay evil murderbots, just for lulz.

Most of the dangerous scenarios are orthogonal to the talking points around “are they conscious”, “do they have desires/goals”, etc. - we are making them simulate personas who do, and that’s enough.

Re: Claws are now a new layer on top of LLM agents

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Post by andoando »

krelian wrote: post #128
bravura wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are a few qualitative product experiences that make claw agents unique. One is that it relentlessly strives thoroughly to complete tasks without asking you to micromanage it. The second is that it has personality. The third is that it's artfully constructed so that it feels like it has infinite context. The above may sound purely circumstantial and frivolous. But together it's the first agent that many people w…

Can you give some example for what you use it for? I understand giving a summary of what's waiting in your inbox but what else?

I use it for stuff like this from my phone:

- Setup mailcow, anslytics, etc on my server.

- Run video generation model on my linux box for variations of this prompt

- At the end of every day analyze our chats, see common pain points and suggest tools that would help.

- Monitor my API traffic over night and give me a report in the morning of errors.

Im convinced this is going to be the future

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