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Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by duskdozer »

theturtletalks wrote: post #519
rglullis wrote: post #501

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If they can provide a relatively cheap subscription against the direct API use Except they can't. Their costs are not magically lower when you use claude code vs when you use a third-party client. > For me, this is fair. This is, plain and simple, a tie-in sale of claude code. I am particularly amused by people accepting it as "fair" because in Brazil this is an illegal practice.

I've heard they actually cache the full Claude Code system prompt on their servers and this saves them a lot of money. Maybe they cache the MCP tools you use and other things. If another harness like Opencode changes that prompt or adds significantly to it, that could increase costs for them. What I don't understand is why start this game of cat and mouse? Just look at Youtube and YT-DLP. YT-DLP, and the dozens of ap…

Some people drop out of the game as it gets harder. I've basically stopped looking at youtube videos unless I want it enough to download it (and wait if the current workarounds broke) with how much they've clamped down on no-account usage. Most I suspect just give in to the company's terms.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by WXLCKNO »

jspdown wrote: post #310

I pay a Max subscription since a long time, I like their model but I hate their tools: - Claude Desktop looks like a demo app. It's slow to use and so far behind the Codex app that it's embarassing. - Claude Code is buggy has hell and I think I've never used a CLI tool that consume so much memory and CPU. Let's not talk about the feature parity with other agents. - Claude Agent SDK is poorly documented, half finished…

I had a Claude code instance using 55 GB of RAM yesterday.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by trillic »

andreagrandi wrote: post #273

I'm only waiting for OpenAI to provide an equivalet ~100 USD subscription to entirely ditch Claude. Opus has gone down the hill continously in the last week (and before you start flooding with replies, I've been testing opus/codex in parallel for the last week, I've plenty of examples of Claude going off track, then apologising, then saying "now it's all fixed!" and then only fixing part of it, when codex nailed at t…

The rate limit for my $20 OpenAI / Codex account feels 10x larger than the $20 claude account.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by WXLCKNO »

troyvit wrote: post #482

I think I've made two good decisions in my life. The first was switching entirely to Linux around '05 even though it was a giant pain in the ass that was constantly behind the competition in terms of stability and hardware support. It took awhile but wow no regrets. The second appears to be hitching my wagon to Mistral even though it's apparently nowhere as powerful or featureful as the big guys. But do you know how…

They're too small to screw you over. But you've got more time until they do at least.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by duskdozer »

hluska wrote: post #580
regenschutz wrote: post #557

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Why can't they run the API at a huge loss too then??

I’m not saying this is a bubble; I don’t know whether than it is or not. But if it is a bubble, I’ve only seen one bubble this big in tech. When that bubble popped, the only companies that survived kept their costs in check. Some raised a round right before the bubble popped but cost control was always part or their survival.

To be honest the fact that they are already clamping down makes me think their situation is getting strained.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by rglullis »

brookst wrote: post #546
rglullis wrote: post #534

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I absolutely have zero concerns about their cost to acquire new customers. As a (former) customer, all I am concerned is the freedom to consume the service I am paying for however I see fit.

Is there any service in the world that gives you complete freedom on how you consume it? I can’t think of one. Netflix: limits number of devices and stream quality and offline use. AWS: does not allow any number of applications (spamming, crypto mining, adult content) Airlines: do not allow smoking, boom boxes Is there any service that gives complete freedom?

I am not asking for "complete" freedom, am I? Can you please argue in good faith and not resort to cheap rhetoric tricks?

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by joombaga »

CuriouslyC wrote: post #578
nerdjon wrote: post #553

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> This is, plain and simple, a tie-in sale of claude code. I am particularly amused by people accepting it as "fair" because in Brazil this is an illegal practice I am very curious what is particularly illegal about this. On the sales page nowhere do they actually talk about the API https://claude.com/pricing Now we all know obviously the API is being used because that is how things work, but you are not actually pay…

Imagine if video service came with a free TV that watched you, and was really opinionated about what you watch, and you could only watch your videos on the creeper TV.

The Telly comes with a second screen for ads that you're not allowed to shut off. https://www.telly.com/

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by margalabargala »

croes wrote: post #359
margalabargala wrote: post #190

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Flat rate does not imply unlimited.

>A flat fee, also referred to as a flat rate or a linear rate refers to a pricing structure that charges a single fixed fee for a service, regardless of usage.

That's one definition. There are others.

I'm sure you can use context clues to figure this one out. You're so close! Just put the pieces together.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by darkwater »

regenschutz wrote: post #556
Xunjin wrote: post #489

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I understand you mean for free in the sense that you don't pay a third party to use it, however let's no forget that you still use the power grid and that's not free. Also worth to note that energy prices have increased worldwide.

Maintaining hardware also isn't free. Time is money.

Time is money if you have another good use of that time. If you like spending that time doing something, then it's literally free.

Re: Anthropic officially bans using subscription auth for third party use

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Post by margalabargala »

master-lincoln wrote: post #385
margalabargala wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Flat rate does not imply unlimited.

What else would it mean?

That you are charged a single fixed fee regardless of usage.

Nothing about that prevents a usage cap.

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