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EU bans the destruction of unsold apparel, clothing, accessories and footwear

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Re: EU bans the destruction of unsold apparel, clothing, accessories and footwear

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Post by DANmode »

code4life wrote: post #228
lp4v4n wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Here, we don't have winter, fall or anything anymore. It's like this in a lot of places now. We're seeing climate change in the interval of a generation. It's absolutely scary. > The acid rain from the 90s destroyed most of green on adjacent cities and when it is hot it gets in unbearably hot and when it is cold it gets stupidly cold. What country do you live in if you don't mind telling us?

> It's like this in a lot of places now. We're seeing climate change in the interval of a generation. It's absolutely scary. I have lived in the same place my whole life. The weather and seasons are effectively the same, from the day i was born until now. Both observationally and by way of looking at average daily temperatures.

Where’s that, out of curiosity?

Re: EU bans the destruction of unsold apparel, clothing, accessories and footwear

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Post by camillomiller »

Whenever the EU does something positive towards a collective action issue, this forum gets filled to the brim with nitpickers who know everything that is possibly wrong with such action, and yet don't provide any meaningful alternative to solve actual problems. So, I guess it's only innovation if you can make your own startup solving menial or useless first-world issues in order for the PG and YC of the world to share a little piece of their billions with you and maybe get fuck you money from an exit.

Re: EU bans the destruction of unsold apparel, clothing, accessories and footwear

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Post by _DeadFred_ »

miki123211 wrote: post #373
motbus3 wrote: post #204

I'm reading the comments and I get confused. I kinda think this is a good idea and it is not like the government is purely making it a 3rd party problem only. This might make production more complicated for a while, but nowadays it is much easier to predict demand and produce quicker in smaller batches. In the 90s you might need change a whole factory setting for every single piece of fabric but nowadays it is that m…

Here's how this law is actually going to work. Instead of destroying the unsold clothes in Europe, manufacturers are going to sell them to "resale" companies in countries with little respect for the rule of law, mostly in Africa or Asia. Those companies will then destroy those clothes, reporting them as sold to consumers. So instead of destroying those clothes in Europe, we'll just add an unnecessary shipping step to…

Wild how random, just getting by people can manage to recycle their motor oil and try to make better choices but businesses can only do the most shitty thing possible.

Re: EU bans the destruction of unsold apparel, clothing, accessories and footwear

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Post by nerdsniper »

appreciatorBus wrote: post #482
bonzini wrote: post #445

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The original comment says "sell them to «resale» companies". Selling goods means being paid for it, while you and the parent comment are both saying money goes in the opposite direction.

When you negotiate the price to ”sell” at, it’s perfectly legitimate for that price to be negative.

Outside of a few very rare circumstances, that’s not what “sell” means. 99.9999999999% of the time, “selling for a negative price” is more accurately called “buying”.

Re: EU bans the destruction of unsold apparel, clothing, accessories and footwear

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Post by fragmede »

sschueller wrote: post #305
PhoenixFlame101 wrote: post #217

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Luxury brands do in fact intentionally destroy old stock to make sure their value doesn't drop due to excess supply. I suppose the next step is making everything extremely limited like hypercars?

However hypercars are not purposely limited. It takes an enormous amount of time and labor to build them unlike a handbag where the limit is artificial to sell more.

If you think Piero Ferrari isn't above playing the same games as Bernard Arnault, you're not paying attention.

Re: EU bans the destruction of unsold apparel, clothing, accessories and footwear

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Post by camillomiller »

ragall wrote: post #237
anymouse123456 wrote: post #189

It’s shocking to see this legislated. As if companies are just out here wantonly destroying otherwise valuable goods that could have been easily sold at a profit instead. I guarantee this problem is far more complex and troublesome than the bureaucrats would ever understand, much less believe, yet they have no problem piling on yet another needless regulatory burden.

They quite clearly are. Burberry was caught a while ago https://www.bbc.com/news/business-44885983 , but it's well known that every major upmarket brand was doing it to avoid the loss of prestige of sending the items to outlets.

you can try to reason with the people who post comments like the one you're responding to, but the truth is they are just there waiting for anything a regulator does to desparage it, defend corporate and capital, and change nothing about the status quo. The worst part is that they do it thinking they are so edgy for knowing exactly why just another piece of regulation will clearly not work. Funnily enough, the EU track record proves that, apart from some exceptions, these type of regulations work really well. USB-C. Data Roaming across all of Europe. Laws on single use plastics. Etc. But yeah, it's just another regulation! EU BAD!

Re: EU bans the destruction of unsold apparel, clothing, accessories and footwear

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Post by DANmode »

rationalist wrote: post #483
rationalist wrote: post #335

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There is a U.S. federal law which gives warranty of merchantability among others (not sure about E.U.). A major store sold me an expensive item that didn't work, and the store's return policy didn't cover it, so the store said file a warranty claim with the manufacturer. I just did a credit card charge back instead, because the store has to sell me something that works. If for whatever reason the credit card charge b…

Typo, should be: "could sue the store" I swore I fixed that earlier.

Is it the iOS keyboard?!

Re: EU bans the destruction of unsold apparel, clothing, accessories and footwear

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Post by singpolyma3 »

tjwebbnorfolk wrote: post #453
cyclotron3k wrote: post #398

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This is a fantasy. No one is going to pay you to take your waste away and dispose of it. You would have to pay them. So now there's a strong financial incentive to a) not over produce, b) sell the clothes - even if it means selling them for next to nothing.

One man's trash is another man's treasure. They will be able to sell them for pennies on the dollar so that some fraction of them can be resold for cheap in Africa or somewhere else poor. Those companies can then dispose of them however they wish. The reseller makes a small profit, and the original moanufacturer gets the PR of "clothing the poor" or whatever. And, as usual, EU regulations achieve absolutely nothing -…

How is achieving the exact goal worse than nothing?

Re: EU bans the destruction of unsold apparel, clothing, accessories and footwear

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Post by t-3 »

swat535 wrote: post #508
tw04 wrote: post #506

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> Those companies will then destroy those clothes, reporting them as sold to consumers. This isn’t going to happen. But if it did, they would 100% sell them in local markets, not destroy them.

Yea, I'm not sure I understand how destroying the items would benefit these "resellers" ? What's in it for them?

They don't have to pay to warehouse them or maintain a storefront. Space and people aren't free.
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