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Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by bluGill »

mlinhares wrote: post #518
bruce511 wrote: post #225

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Sure it can :). Probably not 7 days a week, but a couple days a week, sure. And of course not everyone . Maybe 10%? Not that it matters. What do I care about the needs of some Texans? (I mean that non perjorativly). I mean just because ranchers still need horses doesn't mean the rest of us have to use them. The world will go EV, even much of the US will go EV, regardless of what some folks need.

If you have to drive 200 miles a day to go to/come back from work its a policy failure and we should care about it.

Almost nobody is driving 200 miles to get to work. Almost everybody will move if their commute is more than half an hour - this is through out history and includes hunter gathers deciding to move the tribe, peasants walking to their field... There are a few people driving that far in the US, but either they are planning to move soon, or they don't expect the job to last long.

There are a lot of people driving more than 200 miles a day for work though. Many of them are in cars because their unique skills are why they need to be there (as opposed to delivery drivers who are bringing cargo).

There are also people who drive a long distance once a week. I know of a rural hospital that pays a lot of doctors to drive in on Thursday so locals don't have to go to the city. (they keep an ER, but the rest of the hospital is empty other than a few nurses the rest of the week)

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by catigula »

pjc50 wrote: post #378
fooker wrote: post #367

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I think we are going to be driving hybrids in large numbers for several decades until there's a new battery technology that triples energy density over the state of the art now. It can be invented sooner of course, technology prediction never really works.

Apart from Toyotas, hybrids are kind of unpopular precisely because they're a compromise. Not many people who do make the switch to EV go back. Additional tipping points will come when cities start banning combustion engines on emissions grounds. Then gas stations start closing. After a while you get the reverse condition to EV range anxiety: having to drive further and further out of your way to fill up. Maybe you g…

This is nonsense. Hybrids are outselling EVs in the US.

Hybrid adoption in the US is soaring. It's doubled in just a few years. They're hugely popular in the US precisely because they're NOT a compromise.

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by NetMageSCW »

thomas_witt wrote: post #407
sklargh wrote: post #8

I think Porsche is really in trouble here. I’m not anti-EV but the electric Macan and Cayenne look awful. They are under equipped technologically relative to their Chinese peers (heck basically anything). Porsche sort of sold its soul for this tech-forward design but it doesn’t deliver any meaningful benefits, these cars don’t even have level 2+ highway cruise control. In the meantime I get a bunch of crap screens an…

Being a customer for years, I have to politely disagree. Design is obviously a totally personal matter of taste, but as they have made many iconic shapes, apparently they're in the broad opinion not too bad at it. The main difference is driving. I have driven many cars in my life, from very cheap to very expensive. For me personally, Porsche is in my opinion comparable to using a Mac - they're one of the few who "get…

Having driven a Macan EV recently, it was nothing but annoying coming from years of Porsche driving. Too many unnecessary changes from what was there standard controls. Too much screen use.

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by NoGravitas »

criddell wrote: post #568
morshu9001 wrote: post #304

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Not that many Americans are car enthusiasts. The most popular cars have been basic commuters for decades.

I guess it depends on how you define car enthusiast. A lot of Americans spend far more on their vehicle than they need to and so I would classify them as enthusiasts even if they couldn't tell you how many cylinders their engine has.

We often have very little choice about that, though. You can't buy something no one is selling.

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Post by wazoox »

bluGill wrote: post #527
bluedino wrote: post #519

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The manual transmission crowd cannot be convinced. Even when you show them the performance advantages etc. They just want 'fun' and 'engaging', however they define that.

I've driven both. I don't know how to define what I feel, but the true clutch is more "fun and engaging". I still went with a EV because it is the right choice, but I want the ICE with manual and if money was limitless I'd have a collection (plus a personal mechanic to keep them all running)

You can get a ioniq 5N which simulates appropriately ICE noises, gear switching when you want it, and drive silently when you want it

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by NetMageSCW »

prmoustache wrote: post #307
randerson wrote: post #215

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I wanted to replace my gas Macan with the new EV one. After a test drive I decided to just keep the gas one. As an EV it is excellent. But Porsche is known for engaging driver's cars, and without the visceral sounds and vibrations of an engine it is bland and boring. The flaws in a gas engine's power curve give it character. Letting the driver manage that power curve is fun. A perfectly linear sub-3s 0-60 with fake e…

The thing is, driving on the road is not supposed to be fun. One should go to a racetrack (or simulator) to have fun. Unless you live in a really remote and desertic place, there are just too much people on the road nowadays.

That you believe that is just sad. One doesn’t need to break the law to have fun in the right car.

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Post by NetMageSCW »

anentropic wrote: post #514
embedding-shape wrote: post #395

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> driving on the road is not supposed to be fun. Who says it's supposed to boring? It's supposed to be safe and you're supposed to drive with the consideration of others, but I don't think it's supposed to be either fun or boring, that's up to you. I'm having a blast rolling down the highway in the middle of the night blasting music and singing, am I not allowed to do this because driving is supposed to not be fun?

If the process of driving itself is fun for you then great - have fun! But what people usually mean by 'fun' driving is mostly just antisocial behaviour - too fast, loud brrm-brrm noises etc

Citation needed. Plenty of sports car drivers have fun every day without being antisocial at all.

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Post by NetMageSCW »

prmoustache wrote: post #421
embedding-shape wrote: post #395

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> driving on the road is not supposed to be fun. Who says it's supposed to boring? It's supposed to be safe and you're supposed to drive with the consideration of others, but I don't think it's supposed to be either fun or boring, that's up to you. I'm having a blast rolling down the highway in the middle of the night blasting music and singing, am I not allowed to do this because driving is supposed to not be fun?

I meant it shouldn't be the main purpose, that's it. Way too many people treat the roads as a playground disregarding the safety of others. I am saying this as a pistonhead in remission.

Do you hate your job? Gun is where you find it and what you make of it. Everything you do should be fun or why do it?

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by bluGill »

thelastgallon wrote: post #300
nielsbot wrote: post #216

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How has this played out in Norway? (If you know) They're at 90% EV market share, right?

We don't know the business model in Norway. In US, gas stations barely make any profit on gas, its all from the convenience store, beer, water, lottery tickets, trinkets, souvenirs, etc. Costco, HEB, Walmart, etc also have gas and can run it as a loss leader for customers to compete with Amazon. As the number of gas consumers go down, gas stations everywhere will start shutting down, except the Costco/HEB/Walmart, be…

Last time I read the financial reports for a gas station it was about 1/3 each, gas, tobacco, and food. Tobacco has gone way down since then, but the other two are still important. Gas is low margin, but high volume and so they make a lot of profit on it.

Re: Porsche sold more electrified cars in Europe in 2025 than pure gas-powered cars

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Post by NetMageSCW »

PunchyHamster wrote: post #316
prmoustache wrote: post #307

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The thing is, driving on the road is not supposed to be fun. One should go to a racetrack (or simulator) to have fun. Unless you live in a really remote and desertic place, there are just too much people on the road nowadays.

okay but why would you get Porsche in the first place then? Luxury sport cars are sold on 2 basis, a status symbol, and being driver's car. If you don't have the second and it's just another EV why bother ?

Because it’s fun just commuting to work in a car that is one of the best handling cars ever made?
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