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Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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Post by kubb »

drysine wrote: post #572
kubb wrote: post #571

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>The West isn’t a real entity, it’s not coordinated like a state or a nation. The EU and NATO look with surprise at your statement. >I know they teach you from a very young age that the West is your enemy and things could be so much better if it weren’t for the West, but outside of Russia we don’t have the reverse obsession. The fact that you believe in this "they teach you from a very young age" story tells quite cl…

Do they at least teach you that EU isn’t a state or a nation? Or that NATO has never fought a war against Russia? They should get the facts straight, usually it’s the framing that’s nefarious.

Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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Post by mrshu »

OrangeMusic wrote: post #576
tim333 wrote: post #555

Latest - Trump is writing to Norway, blaming his not getting the nobel prize: >Dear Jonas: Considering your Country decided not to give me the Nobel Peace Prize for having stopped 8 Wars PLUS, I no longer feel an obligation to think purely of Peace, although it will always be predominant, but can now think about what is good and proper for the United States of America. >“Denmark cannot protect that land from Russia o…

Source?

Here is an example: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-15476463/Trump-tell...

Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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Post by dagss »

rchaud wrote: post #575
codingcodingboy wrote: post #403

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Not the case if the US joins the autocracies.

Autocracy isn't a switch you can flick. To establish one, you first have to win a protracted civil war, likely between loyalist paramilitary groups like ICE, the standing US Army and regional defense paramilitaries that would spring up. The likely result of this is a stalemate that leads to secession into separate countries.

Why? Russia didn't have a protracted civil war between 2000-ish and now?

Isn't Trump busy replacing US Army leadership with those loyal to him? Why would Army and ICE be on opposite sides?

Seems MAGA just have to continue the present course and apply just enough pressure to the election system to keep "winning" half-credibly and autocracy is there in not too many years.

I mean they are already past pardoning those attacking congress for not accepting the election result.

It is just a gradual process which is well underway, at what point would California and Washington suddenly prop up a militia?

Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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Post by causal »

causal wrote: post #223
matsemann wrote: post #147

Can't Denmark just stop selling ozempic or so to the US? Would be an uproar in no time.

Not really, probably a majority of Americans look down on people using Ozempic

To be clear, since I'm past the edit window: I think Ozempic is an amazing drug, it's just unfortunate how popular it is to hate on people for using a drug they need.

Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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Post by TurdF3rguson »

rsynnott wrote: post #567
TurdF3rguson wrote: post #492

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Sure but we were talking about just debt. Also the "rest of the world" is basically just China. I don't think it's a shocker that China isn't interested in betting on US companies.

Nah, China only holds about 600bn these days. Besides European sovereign holdings, most of the rest would be non-sovereign.

Yup, that's my point. They sold off lots of debt and nobody noticed so EU doing the same won't matter.

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Post by jimbohn »

seszett wrote: post #564
jimbohn wrote: post #268

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IMO, China will get back Taiwan without firing a single shot, the US is slowly de-risking itself from it and will eventually make Taiwan redundant. After seeing how the US is "helping" Ukraine, will the Taiwanese think fighting an all-out war with allies like this is worth it? China doesn't have the same genocidal intentions russia has towards Ukraine, so less reasons for people to fight it out Edt: would love some a…

> will the Taiwanese think fighting an all-out war with allies like this is worth it? What example do you know of a democratic country collectively "accepting" invasion by a dictatorship because being free is "not worth it"? I can't really come up with anything.

Asking for an example is ill-posed, given that democracies are rather young constructs compared to the wider human history. Mind you, I am rooting for Taiwan, but I would expect something like what happened in Hong Kong rather than all-out war if the USA rug pulls Taiwan when it comes to support. Europe has already signaled that they won't do anything when it comes to Taiwan.

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Post by jensgk »

m000 wrote: post #172

Since Trump can't walk away from NATO [1], could the claim on Greenland be a ruse to force the de-facto resolution of NATO? He probably sees Europe as too meek to do anything more dramatic/substantial. And believes that without NATO, Europe would buy more US weapons that they now get "for free". [1] https://www.dirittoue.info/u-s-legislation-restricts-preside...

"Europe would buy more US weapons"

Buying weapons from an unreliable and possibly adversarial (former) partner would create strategic dependence and weaken Europe’s defense autonomy. => It would be stupid.

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Post by brabel »

maxloh wrote: post #368
brabel wrote: post #360

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The US recognizes Taiwan as part of China since the 70’s though its position is quite ambiguous! I found this document by the US congress that explains the history behind the rather bizarre situation Taiwan finds itself today: https://www.congress.gov/crs-product/IF12503

Nope. The US One China Policy (not to be confused with China's One China Principle) only "acknowledges" China's claim over Taiwan. The wording is intended to be vague so that each side can interpret the meaning according to their own interests (like China claiming "acknowledge" actually means "recognize").

You're agreeing with what I said. "Acknowledges" can be understood as "recognizes" but like I said, it's ambiguous intentionally (as you agreed).

Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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Post by piva00 »

DoctorOetker wrote: post #378
mooreds wrote: post #369

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It seems there is a path to a referendum? https://www.voanews.com/a/greenland-unveils-draft-constituti... Here's more on that constitution: https://www.naadsn.ca/wp-content/uploads/2026/01/26jan-2023-...

It doesn't seem to discuss Trump's "offer". Voting independence from Denmark is different from being given the option to join the United States. As Chomsky would say "whenever there are multiple pictures, the darkest one tends to be closer to the truth". What if natural resources would be more expensive (for both US and EU) to buy if Greenland were independent, than if it were still half-colony of Denmark. Then EU an…

Greenland emphatically rejects becoming part of the US [0].

As others pointed out they already have the option to ask for independence from Denmark.

What else, exactly, do you want?

[0] https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/north/no-such-thing-as-a-bett...

Re: Statement by Denmark, Finland, France, Germany, the Netherlands,Norway,Sweden,UK

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Post by maxloh »

brabel wrote: post #588
maxloh wrote: post #368

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Nope. The US One China Policy (not to be confused with China's One China Principle) only "acknowledges" China's claim over Taiwan. The wording is intended to be vague so that each side can interpret the meaning according to their own interests (like China claiming "acknowledge" actually means "recognize").

You're agreeing with what I said. "Acknowledges" can be understood as "recognizes" but like I said, it's ambiguous intentionally (as you agreed).

> The US recognizes Taiwan as part of China ... though its position is quite ambiguous!

I wouldn't describe that position using the word "recognize". It is more accurate to use the official term "acknowledge" instead.

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