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Re: Backing up Spotify

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Spotify is banking on AI music which is enough to tell you everything you need to know about the company, their C-suite and their opinion on music.

> Spotify is banking on AI music Are they?

Yes, they actively promote playlists with AI music to corner the "chill work" music without having to pay anything to musicians.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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> Creative people don't have motivation to produce if they can't make a living out of it. I challenge you to ask 10 creative people in your life if they would stop doing whatever it is they do if they had a billion dollars.

Would they do what they do if they had zero dollars?

Yes, as long as they have enough to survive, people generally have some free time. I know someone who's living paycheck to paycheck and they make music as a hobby. Obviously, if you have to work 16 hours a day to survive they wouldn't do it – or at least they wouldn't have the capacity to share it.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Redacted.sh is a worthy successor, but the average person just doesn’t care about “which release is best” anymore. I use YT Music as a backup but Redacted is my main source of music these days.

At the end of the day it feels like the private trackers are such a nightmare to get invited to and maintain ratio at it’s just not worth the effort. I want this torrent though. It would be fun to stand up a NAS for this.

The private trackers are just as much about the community as they are about the content they host. Of course there are trade offs because communities can be very insular.

I’ve noticed in the past 10 years or so private trackers have become less strict because the economics of ratios only works if either a) everyone is equally uploading new material and b) there are more and more signups. So now there is value in the amount of time you seed your content which lowers your “required” ratio.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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No, that's what they ran on when the general public could join on a referral basis. They called that "beta". The technology was already proven, i.e. The Pirate Bay and other torrent networks had already been a success for years. What Spotify likely aimed to show was that they could grow very fast and that their growth was too good to just shut down, like the entertainment industry tried to do with TPB. After they too…

Not sure if it was called "beta" or "alpha" and "closed" is of course up to interpretation, but it was indeed by invitation. Swedish law at the time (still?) had a clause about permitting sharing copyrighted material within a limited circle, which I know Spotify engineers referred to as somewhat legitimising it. I also know for a fact that once the invite-only stage ended there was a major purge of content and I lost…

Yes, when the entertainment industry came onboard they immediately made the service much worse. I reacted the same way you did.

IIRC, 2008, a little less than twenty years.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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This leak will also be really useful to bad actors who will resell the music from this list without paying royalties to the artists.

this argument is so tired. most artists dont really care about streaming or selling their music. most of their real money comes from touring, merch, and people somehow interacting with them. most musicians just want to make music, express themselves, and connect with folks who enjoy their stuff or want to make music with em. Even some of the largest artists in the world only receive a few grand a year from streaming.…

Weird Al pointed out in 2023 that his 80 million Spotify views that year netted him $12 - enough for a nice sandwich.

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> This is not small potatoes Unless you're a small potato. Approximately 0% of what I pay for spotify goes to the artists I actually listen to. Fucking Taylor Swift and the Beatles estate don't need my money.

As a reasonably known but not super popular bluegrass artist, I agree: please steal my music instead of paying Spotify for it.

Hell, Weird Al himself only made $12 from Spotify views in 2023.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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the top 10,000 songs seem to be 99.9% top-40 corporate pop, which suprised me. thought a list that broad would pick up more that was outside the maintream ...

Re: Backing up Spotify

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Quoting from their page: -------------- This is by far the largest music metadata database that is publicly available. For comparison, we have 256 million tracks, while others have 50-150 million. Our data is well-annotated: MusicBrainz has 5 million unique ISRCs, while our database has 186 million. -------------- If they truly are on a mission to protect world's information from disappearing, they should work with M…

It would be reasonably trivial to set up a bot that mass-imports metadata from Spotify to MusicBrainz (note that MB rules do not allow this, community cleanup from a single user doing this with another source, years ago, is still ongoing). The value that MusicBrainz adds is the community editor who spent a few hours going through YouTube videos and wayback machine social links to figure out that Fog (Wellington, NZ,…

they also offer a bunch of stuff like

- searchable website

- incredible well thought out postgres database that differentiates, for example, a recording from a release (and much, much more)

- ability to replicate changes to said database hourly to your own environment

- workable system for schema updates

- cover art archive

- refined interface for submitting/moderating listings

- etc.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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the top 10,000 songs seem to be 99.9% top-40 corporate pop, which suprised me. thought a list that broad would pick up more that was outside the maintream ...

10,000 sounds like a lot, but it really isn't. Even my own personal music collection - which isn't all that impressive - is nearly 20,000 tracks.

Re: Backing up Spotify

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For a fully-legal alternative of metadata archiving, I suggest the iTunes EPF (Enterprise Partner Feed). https://performance-partners.apple.com/epf The best metadata I've found, though, is the MySpace Dragon Hoard: https://archive.org/details/myspace_dragon_hoard_2010 That included the artist location, allowing me to tag songs based on their country. I then created playlists such as "NERAS" Non-English Rock Artist Sa…

> Other data sources such as the MP3.com rescue barge, PureVolume archive, and Anna's Spotify archive lack the country-of-origin metadata, so are of less interest to me. It may be possible to use an LLM to guess the language of each track title, but someone else will have to do that.

I would guess that combining these sources, along with info from MusicBrainz, would help quite a bit? Still, I'm rather surprised Spotify doesn't provide more information about artists.

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