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Re: Nano Banana Pro

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Post by mindcrime »

ceroxylon wrote: post #306

Google has been stomping around like Godzilla this week, and this is the first time I decided to link my card to their AI studio. I had seen people saying that they gave up and went to another platform because it was "impossible to pay". I thought this was strange, but after trying to get a working API key for the past half hour, I see what they mean. Everything is set up, I see a message that says "You're using Paid…

So much this. The entire experience around using Google's AI API's is a complete shit-show. I was (stubborn|obstinate|stupid|whatever) enough to keep dicking around until I actually got some stuff working (a few weeks ago) but I still feel dirty from the whole process. And I still don't know what I'm using (Gemini? AI Studio? Vertex? GCP? Other??) or how all of this crap relates.

And FSM forbid I have another time when my debit card number gets compromised and I have to try changing it with Google. That was even MORE painful than just trying to get things working in the first place. WTF am I editing, my GCP account or my Google account? Are those two different things? Yes? No? Sort of? But they're connected, somehow... right? I mean, I disable my card in one place, but find that billing is still trying to go to it anyway. And then I find another place on another Google page that mentions that card, but when I try to disable it I get some opaque error about "can't disable card because card is already in use. Disable card first" or whatever.

I can't even... I mean, shit. It's hard to imagine creating an experience that is that bad even if you were trying to do so.

Let me just say, I won't be recommending Google's AI API's, or GCP, or Vertex, or any of this stuff to anybody, anytime soon. I don't care how good their models are.

At least chatting with Gemini at gemini.google.com works. So far that's about the only thing AI related from Google I've seen that doesn't seem like a complete cluster-f%@k.

Re: Nano Banana Pro

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Post by semiquaver »

into_the_void wrote: post #575

Is SynthID actually running an AI classifier to decide whether an image is model-generated, or is it only checking for an embedded watermark? If it’s a classifier, the accuracy is questionable — generic “AI detection” tools tend to produce high false-positive rates. Also unclear whether it’s doing semantic anomaly checks (extra fingers, physics errors) or low-level pixel-signature analysis.

Watermark

Re: Nano Banana Pro

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Post by shostack »

logankilpatrick wrote: post #419
ceroxylon wrote: post #306

Google has been stomping around like Godzilla this week, and this is the first time I decided to link my card to their AI studio. I had seen people saying that they gave up and went to another platform because it was "impossible to pay". I thought this was strange, but after trying to get a working API key for the past half hour, I see what they mean. Everything is set up, I see a message that says "You're using Paid…

First off, apologies for the bad first impression, the team is pushing super hard to make sure it is easy to access these models. - On permission issue, not sure I follow the flow that got you there, pls email me more details if you are able too and happy to debug: Lkilpatrick@google.com - On overall friction for billing: we are working on a new billing experience built right into AI Studio that will make it super ea…

Hopefully the mobile version of AI Studio gets some improvement. There are some pretty awful UI bugs that make it really difficult to use in a mobile first manner.

Though I still managed to vibe code an app using nanobanana. Now I just need to sort API billing with it so I can actually use my app.

Re: Nano Banana Pro

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Post by energy123 »

user34283 wrote: post #490
energy123 wrote: post #383

Earlier quoted context omitted.

And both their consumer apps are slow. You can replicate this yourself. Go to AI Studio, paste in 80K tokens of text, then type something on your keyboard, and see what happens. The Gemini web app is even worse somehow. A horrifically slow and buggy app. Not new problems either, barely any improvement on this over more than 1 year.

No issues here that I remember with the Gemini app on Android recently - half a year ago it was a slideshow with just a few conversations. They're improving, probably.

What context size? I ran into issues especially with 80k or more

Re: Nano Banana Pro

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Post by AstroBen »

t-writescode wrote: post #577
AstroBen wrote: post #570

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Playerunknown's Battlegrounds, although ChatGPT said that was 30 people, which surprises me. I'll defer to .... original Counter Strike and the original Firearms mod

I mean, the point I'm trying to make is that AI could be used to expand the scope of what can be achieved. I never said that it's impossible to develop any game without it

Re: Nano Banana Pro

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Post by noduerme »

vunderba wrote: post #396

Alright results are in! I've re-run all my editing based adherence related prompts through Nano Banana Pro. NB Pro managed to successfully pass SHRDLU, the M&M Van Halen test (as verified independently by Simon), and the Scorpio street test - all of which the original NB failed. Model results 1. Nano Banana Pro: 10 / 12 2. Seedream4: 9 / 12 3. Nano Banana: 7 / 12 4. Qwen Image Edit: 6 / 12 https://genai-showdown.spec…

I had to look up what a "skifter" is. An AI answer showed that it's Norwegian for a switch.

I'm curious, does the word have a further meaning in the context of cheating at cards?

Re: Nano Banana Pro

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Post by Fiveplus »

minimaxir wrote: post #234
Fiveplus wrote: post #224

What can nano-banana do that chatGPT made images can't? Or is it only better for image editing from what I can gather from these comments so far. I haven't used it so genuinely curious.

I made some direct comparisons my Nano Banana post ( https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45917875 ) but Nano Banana can handle photorealistic photos with nuanced prompts much better. And there is no yellow filter.

Absolutely amazing pose, thanks for sharing!

Re: Nano Banana Pro

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Post by sixhobbits »

logankilpatrick wrote: post #419
ceroxylon wrote: post #306

Google has been stomping around like Godzilla this week, and this is the first time I decided to link my card to their AI studio. I had seen people saying that they gave up and went to another platform because it was "impossible to pay". I thought this was strange, but after trying to get a working API key for the past half hour, I see what they mean. Everything is set up, I see a message that says "You're using Paid…

First off, apologies for the bad first impression, the team is pushing super hard to make sure it is easy to access these models. - On permission issue, not sure I follow the flow that got you there, pls email me more details if you are able too and happy to debug: Lkilpatrick@google.com - On overall friction for billing: we are working on a new billing experience built right into AI Studio that will make it super ea…

This is nice that you know about the issue and are working on it. I really appreciate all the new "Get api key" buttons across google ai products that already makes it much easier than setting up a cloud project and getting credentials json files.

But I do think it's a general problem with Google products that the solution is always to build a new one. There are already like 8 ways to use and pay for Google AI and that adds to the complexity of getting set up, so adding a new simpler better option might make that all worse instead of better

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