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Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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I’d love an ai I could ask to pull up a web page I have a scattered memory of - I know what it was about but not the name of the site it was from, not if it’s open in a tab or if I closed it an hour ago, or maybe I bookmarked it. Even better if I can ask things like “can you find that movie review about some robert Downey junior film I read maybe a month ago?”

Whether it will actually do any of those things is another question of course.

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Speak for yourself, I do want to see Mozilla experimenting with new features and functionality opened up by new technology. Politically motivated technological stagnation is little more than a slow death, Mozilla should at least be trying new things. And yes, they will get some of it wrong. It's new technology, nobody really knows how to use it yet. Mozilla should be on the forefront of figuring it out.

But LLMs became possible precisely due to centralized server, their economies of scale, and their capacity to train on user data. All of which are against the core tenets of locality, privacy and low cost (gratis) of FOSS.

Sorry guys, but this one is not for you. Unless you go all in on microchips so powerful that they enable local LLMs, but even that seems to be outside of the FOSS competency as it involves hardware, which FOSS doesn't usually touch (with the exception of raspberry pi's and some libre phones)

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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It's a problem in the software industry today that is bigger than AI, probably the greatest controversy in software marketing. Part of the model of products like Adobe's Creative Suite [1] is that they are always adding new features -- and if you want people to keep renewing their subscription you want them to know about new features so they feel like they are getting more out of their product. Trouble is using a pro…

> Part of the model of products like Adobe's Creative Suite [1] is that they are always adding new features -- and if you want people to keep renewing their subscription you want them to know about new features so they feel like they are getting more out of their product. This is the fundamental problem and it has nothing to do with AI. Just look at the recent iOs 26 release. I am not convinced that any of the actual…

Honestly it’s the first iOS I like less than the last. A lot I’d consider neutral.

But now I’ve got several bugs (and I’m on last years flagship), liquid glass is ugly until you change a guy of settings, and I find myself accidentally triggering something (usually Siri) and being annoyed more.

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Mozilla Corp is a wholly owned subsidiary of the Mozilla Foundation. Tomayto, tomahto.

And part of the Corp's profits fund the Foundation, not the other way around. We get a discussion about this every few months in the HN comments, in case anyone wants to look it up.

Right, and my understanding is that structuring lets them do the search licensing deals that have been the lifeline of the whole org.

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Speak for yourself, I do want to see Mozilla experimenting with new features and functionality opened up by new technology. Politically motivated technological stagnation is little more than a slow death, Mozilla should at least be trying new things. And yes, they will get some of it wrong. It's new technology, nobody really knows how to use it yet. Mozilla should be on the forefront of figuring it out.

Just because we don't want Mozilla to waste precious resources developing clearly unwanted features does not mean we don't want them to experiment. This isn't experimentation. It's being a sheep.

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Does anyone want AI in anything? I can see the value of navigating to an LLM and asking specific questions, but generally speaking I don't want that just running / waiting on my machine as I open a variety of applications. It's a huge waste of resources and for most normal people is an edge case.

The existence of the features doesn’t bother me. It’s the constant nagging about them. I can’t use a google product without being harassed to the point of not being able to work by offers to “help me write” or whatever. Having the feature on a menu somewhere would be fine. The problem is the confluence of new features now becoming possible, and companies no longer building software for their users but as vehicles to…

Someone has a KPI to increase user engagement with AI features. The goal will be met, by any means.

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Does anyone want AI in anything? I can see the value of navigating to an LLM and asking specific questions, but generally speaking I don't want that just running / waiting on my machine as I open a variety of applications. It's a huge waste of resources and for most normal people is an edge case.

Well said. I use AI often, but I don't want it "in" any other tool. It's annoying and in my experience, tools get worse the more "intelligent" they try to be. They get in your way and become unpredictable. I want silent, dumb, perfectly deterministic interfaces. And guessable, too (if that's a word?)

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

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Nobody wants anything from Mozilla except Firefox/Thunderbird to be high-performance alternatives to Chrome/Outlook with fewer restrictions on extensions. That’s it. The rest is just activism and kids playing in a sandbox with non-profit money to pad out their resume with whatever topical keywords might land them their next gig.

> Nobody wants anything from Mozilla

Sufficiently accurate. That’s the reason they’re trying all these things. It’s because the original objective was met and now they’re trying to find something else to put all their money to.

Re: I think nobody wants AI in Firefox, Mozilla

#590

Does anyone want AI in anything? I can see the value of navigating to an LLM and asking specific questions, but generally speaking I don't want that just running / waiting on my machine as I open a variety of applications. It's a huge waste of resources and for most normal people is an edge case.

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