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Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

ozgrakkurt wrote: post #243
killerstorm wrote: post #170

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My man, math is pattern matching, not magic. So is logic. And computation. Please learn the basics before you discuss what LLMs can and can't do.

I'm no expert on math but "math is pattern matching" really sounds wrong. Maybe programming is mostly pattern matching but modern math is built on theory and proofs right?

When an LLM does it, it's pattern matching.

RL training amounts to pattern matching.

How does an LLM decode Base64? Decode algorithm? No - predictive pattern matching.

An LLM isn't predicting what a person thinks - it's predicting what a person does.

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by CamperBob2 »

998244353 wrote: post #534
pirates wrote: post #424

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Those people are intelligent, they’re just selfish and have no qualms over making money off the repugnant crap they’re doing.

In that case, how come they "left in the first days of the job" because "they saw what they were going to work on and peaced out"?

They may have found that the work they were called upon to perform was worse than what they'd been led to expect. Maybe much worse.

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by SAI_Peregrinus »

HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #543
xnx wrote: post #486

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> This is the weirdest technology market that I’ve seen. The phenomenon you're seeing is well described here: "The Perfect AI Startup" ( https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/newsletters/2025-09-29/the... ) “It was the most absurd pitch meeting,” one investor who met with Murati said. “She was like, ‘So we’re doing an AI company with the best AI people, but we can’t answer any questions.’” Despite that vagueness, Murati…

I wonder how the investors feel now seeing what the initial product is?! Maybe investing in all well-connected AI startups is safer than trying to pick the winners and losers?

If you have N startups, and expect at least 1 of them to make >N times what you invest in each, then investing that amount in each one of them will still be expected to have a positive ROI. If none of them "hits it big" then you lose all the investment money, but if any of them grow enormously you profit. Trying to pick winners & losers in advance is much more difficult, investing in an entire business sector is the VC version of an index fund.

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by CamperBob2 »

KaiserPro wrote: post #445
mehulashah wrote: post #277

Most of the folks on this topic are focused on Meta and Yann’s departure. But, I’m seeing something different. This is the weirdest technology market that I’ve seen. Researchers are getting rewarded with VC money to try what remains a science experiment. That used to be a bad word and now that gets rewarded with billions of dollars in valuation.

Its not really an outlier If you think about Theranos, Magic leap, openai, anthropic they are all the same, one idea thats kinda plausible (well if you don't look too closely), have a slick demo, and well connected founders. Much as a lot of people dislike LeCun (just look at the blind posts about him) he did run and setup a very successful team inside meta, well nominally at least.

Ridiculous. Theranos was a literal crime scene. Its products didn't work at all, and physically couldn't work due to the nature of blood itself.

Magic Leap was an honest if overhyped effort that didn't achieve product-market fit.

Meanwhile, products from OpenAI and Anthropic have both done useful work for me this week.

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Post by CamperBob2 »

gtech1 wrote: post #371
afthonos wrote: post #339

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The big tech companies are trying to make machines that replace all human labor. They call it artificial intelligence. Feel free to argue about definitions.

No no, let's define labor (labour?) first.

Whatever you're doing for money that you wouldn't do if you didn't need money.

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by HarHarVeryFunny »

ergocoder wrote: post #112
alex1138 wrote: post #23

Change my mind, Facebook was never invented by Zuck's genius All he's been responsible for is making it worse

Who gives a shit about who invented what? Social network wasn't even novel at the inception of FB. MySpace, Friendster, and Hi5 were already popular with millions of users. Zuck operated it well and was able to grow it from 0 to what it is today. That is what matters.

It didn't even start as a social network - it started off as a site to vote on the hotness of female Harvard students based on stolen photos.

It just so happened that he does appear to have some leadership and business talent, but IMO the company is still as creepy as it ever was.

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by intalentive »

gregjw wrote: post #33

Interesting he isn't just working with Feifei Li if he's really interested in 'world models'.

LeCun is not interested in generative models which predict in pixel space. He wants "energy based" models which predict in the representation space.

Re: Yann LeCun to depart Meta and launch AI startup focused on 'world models'

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Post by pbreit »

mehulashah wrote: post #277

Most of the folks on this topic are focused on Meta and Yann’s departure. But, I’m seeing something different. This is the weirdest technology market that I’ve seen. Researchers are getting rewarded with VC money to try what remains a science experiment. That used to be a bad word and now that gets rewarded with billions of dollars in valuation.

Lecun always struck me as an institutional clown who completely botched Meta's AI outlook.
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