Can't imagine they did this without the US forcing them.
Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia
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Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia
#582I don't know if something similar was feared, but I would like to remind people of what happened in 2020 with China and ARM. You don't get into the China market without losing control.
Which came from the US sanctioning Huawei because Huawei was making better chips than Qualcomm and Cisco. US was posturing to ban China access to Arm. Ultimately, it led to a ban on using TSMC for Chinese companies instead. There is no real justification to do a blanket ban on all Chinese companies except a state-sponsored way to to slow China down in AI race.
How long until we're all learning Chinese in order to better understand their datasheets.
Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia
#583Earlier quoted context omitted.
I said it that way because I don’t like the hypocrisies in general, and I said European because the comment I responded to combined Dutch and European markets into one. It would be foolish to sell off a great value like ASML or others that adds incredible value. But one should also not get mad when other countries do it, because they see their industries as valuable things as well. Our markets are just getting more c…
> It would be foolish to sell off a great value like ASML or others that adds incredible value. But one should also not get mad when other countries do it, because they see their industries as valuable things as well. This reads like a straw man argument. No one gets mad when other countries do it. At most, you see complains of protectionism being unilaterally imposed while benefitting from your competitor's openness…
Preamble; I do not support the restrictions China imposed on free market.
I think China is complaining about changing the rules retrospectively when they become successful in a field. But I’m not following how this is any different than French subsidies or limitations on farming products from Ukraine.
If they’re abusing the system, which I presume we all can agree that they do, why don’t we force them to play by the rules, or do we not like losing so we keep changing the rules when somebody else starts to win.
Again, I wouldn’t allow such vital industries from medical equipments to military tech to be outsourced to this level. It was silly to begin with.
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#584Earlier quoted context omitted.
Almost everything can be seen as strategic.
That’s a rather weak retort. Certain things like uranium and pharmaceuticals are pretty obviously strategic while other things like dog food are not.
Milk and yogurt certainly are, also bread, also lots of food stuff. As far as I know almost no country has gone isolationist on that (with a few exceptions, such as China, which is at least trying).
One can win a grand war without access to uranium, but you need access to bread and milk if you don’t want to repeat Germany’s WW1 fate.
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#586Earlier quoted context omitted.
> if we are not a communist country (everyone seems to think that we are not) why the F would we socialize losses?!? Hold on, the logic is any country that socialises anything to any degree is communist? Where the hell did you get that from?
the terms are used interchangeably for the HN crowd but you get the point... US is the largest socialist country on the planet by far. Not communist country yet but Project 2025 is working hard on that :)
> terms are used interchangeably for the HN crowd
Except they’re not. They’re only mis-used in this thread by those claiming they’re mis-used.
Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia
#587Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some new information has just emerged in the Dutch press. According to a just published article by the NRC newspaper [0], the owner wanted to use Nexperia's funds to finance another business (WingSkySemi) which was in financial trouble. He would have done this by making Nexperia place large orders for wafers it did not need. The article mentions Nexperia only requiring $70-80 million in wafers, while Nexperia would h…
I am sort of surprised we even have an arm of government quick and authoritative enough to be able to intervene here. I always assumed the government would just let any frogs boil.
Looks like there was some timely pressure from the US.
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#589Earlier quoted context omitted.
Some new information has just emerged in the Dutch press. According to a just published article by the NRC newspaper [0], the owner wanted to use Nexperia's funds to finance another business (WingSkySemi) which was in financial trouble. He would have done this by making Nexperia place large orders for wafers it did not need. The article mentions Nexperia only requiring $70-80 million in wafers, while Nexperia would h…
This Dutch article also adds a lot more context, what the Dutch government did starts to make more and more sense and would for sure be something the Chinese would have intervened in if the situation were reversed. [0] Update: Looks like China has retaliated: [1] [0] https://tweakers.net/nieuws/240304/nexperia-ceo-bevoordeelde... [1] https://nos.nl/artikel/2586411-china-legt-chipfabrikant-nexp...
A other Dutch update/summary: https://nos.nl/artikel/2586472-amerikaanse-invloed-en-roekel...
Re: Dutch government takes control of Chinese-owned chipmaker Nexperia
#590Earlier quoted context omitted.
yeah, but those machines are built in Europe. Most in Netherlands to be exact, but Holand too.
Netherlands AND Holland? Isn't that the same place? Also: Even while ASML steppers are built in Netherlands, there are a lot of other non-photolithography tools needed to build a fab in addition to the ASML tools.
Roughly half the Capex for a new modern fab goes to ASML.