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Re: Sora 2

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Post by estearum »

bnop wrote: post #538
estearum wrote: post #501

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Nope. A CEO can't essentially steal from shareholders, but otherwise they have extremely broad latitude in how they engage in business. There is no legal or moral imperative to make antisocial, unethical, or short term decisions that "maximize shareholder value." This is something that morally weak people tell themselves (and others) to justify the depravity they're willing to sink to in order to satiate their greed.…

If I run an AI business, then people using more AI means more business. If noone uses my AI then I go out of business Increasing shareholder value can be done in the broadest sense by just increasing business If I fund my own business, I can control growth and _choose_ ethics over profits, in the hope that stunting growth is acceptable if my customers value ethics too, and that whomever I someday pass my company to s…

You’re just saying there are incentives for unethical behavior? Yeah, obviously.

They don’t need to be excused by “well that’s their obligation.” It’s not! Actually, a person’s obligation is to act morally even when there are incentives otherwise, which is approximately all the time for nearly every person.

This is something children learn (lest they be excluded from their society) yet Very Smart People in the upper echelons of the business world conveniently forget.

> If I take capital investment, I now have a contractual agreement to provide returns on that investment. Yes failure to adhere can result in lawsuits or legal penalties.

This is not true. If you've signed a contract that says anything like this, consider getting a real lawyer.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by echelon »

bnop wrote: post #451
echelon wrote: post #229

I'm a software engineer and hobbyist actor/director. My friends are in the film industry and are in IATSE and SAG-AFTRA. I've made photons-on-glass films for decades, and I frequently film stuff with my friends for festivals. I love this AI video technology. Here are some of the films my friends and I have been making with AI. These are not "prompted", but instead use a lot of hand animation, rotoscoping, and human v…

Taking the time and effort out of something is exactly what strips it of its beauty Beauty is not just an “idea” that someone has and needs to get out onto a medium It is a process and journey that a person undergoes to get said idea onto said medium That journey often plays out very differently than the person expects. Things change, the art is different from the idea, and the person learns and grows Our modern soci…

I saw a quote earlier this week that I'll copy here:

> I considered renting out sound stages, flying to exotic desert locations, getting a scuba team to shoot the underwater scenes in an aquarium, commissioning custom-made Teletubbies costumes, hiring SAG actors, building dozens of miniature sets, and spending my life savings on making this video. But using AI just seems slightly easier.

Making short films with AI is still incredibly effortful. If you're being careful and diligent, it takes days to "shoot" and edit the entire shot list for a 5-7 minute short.

Would you say that the creators of today's animated TV shows, in mechanizing production with Toon Boom Studio, have stripped the beauty away? I still found "Bojack Horseman" to be a salient dramedy.

Would you say that Pixar, in using motion capture and algorithms to simulate light, physics, and movement, is cutting away the journey?

This is a new adventure and new level of abstraction we're embarking upon.

I'm already thinking about the next way points: real time mocapped improv for D&D campaigns and live community theater fantasy and science fiction productions.

These are tools that bring us to new places, that enable us to tell new stories. Previously you'd have to win Disney budget approval to tell a story matching your vision - now you don't.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by TheDong »

raincole wrote: post #547
morleytj wrote: post #496

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Not to be a downer, but even as someone very optimistic about technology and AI generally, "TikTok but AI" sounds like a societally terrible thing to try and create. What's the benefit of this? Curious if anyone has a solid viewpoint steelmanning any positives they can think of.

As a social experiment to reveal how senseless and pointless pop entertainment could be. (personal rant) I've been in a mild existential crisis since I read Amusing Ourselves to Death . Can one form of entertainment really be more well-regarded than another? Is fine art fundamentally different from pop art? Are there 'finer' pop cultures amongst all pop cultures? I do still think reading The Song of Ice and Fire is m…

> Can one form of entertainment really be more well-regarded than another? Is fine art fundamentally different from pop art?

It depends on what you want to get out of art.

Do you want human connection and shared cultural context so you can talk to real friends about things? Do you want virtual friends and connections? Do you want ideas to inspire you to create your own things, or change how you think?

Do you just want to distract yourself from how hungry you are, how much inequality is in the world, and how depressed you are, letting death draw closer?

All of those are valid things, and different art is more meaningful for different goals.

Scrolling tiktok fits into the last one, it's burning time to avoid thinking about things, moving you closer to death. Song of Ice and Fire builds a large coherent world, has bits of morality and human relation, and all of those can spark ideas and be related to your own human suffering, so it indeed feels more valid to me as a way to reflect and change how you think.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by cogman10 »

vunderba wrote: post #580
paulcole wrote: post #478

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>It’s fucking video made by a computer after you type a sentence Geez. Breathe a little bit. It's always weird to see somebody who had zero involvement in the creation/engineering/design of a product so disproportionately defensive about it. The concept of text to video since LTX, CogVideo, AnimateDiff is closing in on two years of development at this point so there's naturally going to be a little less breathless en…

I'm assuming you've played more with AI video creation than I have.

Was there anything impressive here or is this mostly "meh"? I didn't see this solve any of the problems with AI videos but maybe this is solving something that I didn't know was a problem?

That's really what I'm trying to figure out with this announcement. Seeing 100s of comments about how impressive this is with no comments really discussing why has me trying to figure out what part of the hype I'm missing.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by bonoboTP »

modeless wrote: post #40

I can see it being interesting to create wacky fake videos of your friends for a week or two, but why would people still be using this next year? I watch videos for two reasons. To see real things, or to consume interesting stories. These videos are not real, and the storytelling is still very limited.

A lot of realslop is fake too. As in staged but pretended as real for rage bait or annoyance bait. Or stupid shaggy dog story videos, where it seems like the thing will happen any moment now and then nothing happens.

One recent disillusionment for me was that lots of police body cam content is fake, as in basically amateur actors trying to enact a realistic police stop, they even put the usual bodycam numbers and letters and axos logo in the corner etc.

And so many other videos of things happening in the street are more or less obviously fake and staged. Still 90% probably don't notice.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by danvoell »

the_duke wrote: post #273

I haven't seen comments regarding a big factor here: It seems like OpenAI is trying to turn Sora into a social network - TikTok but AI. The webapp is heavily geared towards consumption, with a feed as the entry point, liking and commenting for posts, and user profiles having a prominent role. The creation aspect seems about as important as on Instagram, TikTok etc - easily available, but not the primary focus. Genera…

My guess is that the entry point is to help people think about what to do. I still don't love the midjourney interface but it serves the same purpose.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by minimaxir »

This Sora 2 generation of Cyberpunk 2077 gameplay managed to reproduce it extremely closely, which is baffling: https://x.com/elder_plinius/status/1973124528680345871

> How the FUCK does Sora 2 have such a perfect memory of this Cyberpunk side mission that it knows the map location, biome/terrain, vehicle design, voices, and even the name of the gang you're fighting for, all without being prompted for any of those specifics??

> Sora basically got two details wrong, which is that the Basilisk tank doesn't have wheels (it hovers) and Panam is inside the tank rather than on the turret. I suppose there's a fair amount of video tutorials for this mission scattered around the internet, but still––it's a SIDE mission!

Everyone already assumed that Sora was trained on YouTube, but "generate gameplay of Cyberpunk 2077 with the Basilisk Tank and Panam" would have generated incoherent slop in most other image/video models, not verbatim gameplay footage that is consistent.

For reference, this is what you get when you give the same prompt to Veo 3 Fast (trained by the company that owns YouTube): https://x.com/minimaxir/status/1973192357559542169

Re: Sora 2

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Post by slg »

morleytj wrote: post #562
slg wrote: post #557

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>Books, comic strips, movies, they're all just telling a story with a different amount of it left up to the viewer's imagination. Lowering the barrier to entry for this type of stuff is so cool. This response just never feels true to me. Many of the most successful web comics are crude drawings of just stick figures and text[1] with potentially a little color thrown in[2] and like half of the videos I see on TikTok a…

This is a thing I think about often. I think people have a mistaken view of what makes some form of storytelling interesting. Perhaps this is my own bias, but something could be incredibly technically proficient or realistic and I could find it utterly uninteresting. This is because the interesting part is in what is unique about the perspective of the people creating it and ideas they want to express, in relation to…

>Perhaps this is my own bias, but something could be incredibly technically proficient or realistic and I could find it utterly uninteresting. This is because the interesting part is in what is unique about the perspective of the people creating it and ideas they want to express, in relation to their own viewpoint and background.

I completely agree. And now that you mention this, I realize I didn't even point to the most obvious and famous examples of this sort of thing with artists like Picasso and Van Gogh.

If someone criticizes Picasso's or Van Gogh's lack of realism, they are completely missing the point of their work. They easily could have and occasional did go for a more photorealistic look, but that isn't what made them important artists. What set them apart was the ways they eschewed photorealism in order to communicate something deeper.

Similarly, creating art in their individual styles isn't interesting because it shifts the primary goal from communication to emulation. That is all AI art really is, attempts at imitation, and imitation without iteration just isn't interesting from an artistic or storytelling perspective.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by davidmurdoch »

I just asked GPT 5 to generate an image of as person. I then asked it to charge the color of their shirt. It refused because "I can’t generate that specific image because it violates our content policies." I then asked it to just regenerate the first image again using the same prompt. It replied "I know this has been frustrating. You’ve been really clear about what you want, and it feels like I’m blocking you for no reason. What’s happening on my side is that the image tool I was using to make the pictures you liked has been disabled, so even if I write the prompt exactly the way you want, I can’t actually send it off to generate a new image right now."

If I start a new chat it works.

I'm a Plus subscriber and didn't hit rate limits.

This video gen tool will probably be even more useless.

Re: Sora 2

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Post by vunderba »

currymj wrote: post #244
542458 wrote: post #215

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Is there a reason that's superior to subtitles, which are already fairly easy to generate?

sign languages are completely different languages from spoken languages, with their own grammar etc. subtitles can work but it's basically a second language. perhaps comparable to many countries where people speak a dialect that's very different from the "standard" written language. this is why you sometimes have sign language interpreters at events, rather than just captions. there's not really a widely accepted wri…

> subtitles can work but it's basically a second language

That argument applies just as equally to sign language - most countries have their own idiosyncratic sign language. (ASL, LSE, etc.). Any televised event that has interpreters will be using the national language version.

The closest thing you're thinking of is IS - International Sign but its much more limited in terms of expression and not every deaf person knows it.

> there's not really a widely accepted written form of sign language.

Because it makes no sense to have it unless there was a regional deaf community that was fluent in sign language and also simultaneously illiterate.

https://www.reddit.com/r/NoStupidQuestions/comments/6t7k1w/h...

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