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What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by patmcc »

justinclift wrote: post #252
carlosjobim wrote: post #226

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A wedding is one of the most fundamentally public events that have ever existed. The purpose is so that as many people as possible should know that these people are taken. Asking guests to not take photos is such a faux pass that the couple has destroyed their reputation completely. They can have a quiet and private ceremony instead if they have stage fright.

> A wedding is one of the most fundamentally public events that have ever existed. Not sure why you think that? Although weddings can be in public places, they don't have to be and it's quite common for only invited guests (ie not the public) to be present.

Historically at least, it's not that weddings are in public places, but that they're inherently a performance for the community. Like the reason for having a wedding is to make a commitment publicly in front of your friends and family. That doesn't mean it needs to be open to all who want to wander in, but it's strange to think of it as a secret event.

I feel like it's pretty strange (and mildly rude) to insist no one take/post photos of a wedding, and also very rude to take/post photos when asked not to.

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by detaro »

jMyles wrote: post #463
Aurornis wrote: post #375

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> I get it, but the alternative is what? Get model release forms from anyone in a public space every time you turn your video camera on? I find it interesting how the winds have changed on this topic. 5-10 years ago it was a hot topic in online tech spaces (HN, Reddit, Slashdot and adjacent sites) about preserving your rights to take photos and videos in public spaces. I can understand some people preferring not to b…

> I find it interesting how the winds have changed on this topic. My very very strong gut feeling is that this is an influx of bots muddying the waters of discussion in concert with the unleashing of the secret police force that is ICE. It seems to me that every real person sees the crucial importance of public photography in peacefully maintaining accountability.

And of course nobody in this discussion has said anything against photographing officials and news-worthy events. "You should not publish photos/videos of private individuals without consent or a very good reason" and "you should be able to freely document police activity" do not contradict each other.

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by patmcc »

squigz wrote: post #141
gms7777 wrote: post #108

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I’m currently wedding planning and regularly visit a wedding planning forum. I was left flabbergasted the other day when someone posted if it would be ok to ask guests to not post pictures of the couple on social media. They’re ok with guests posting pictures of themselves or of the venue and decor, they just don’t really want pictures of the bride and groom. The response ranged from “you can ask but you can’t preven…

If someone asks you not to record them at their own event , and you do, you're an asshole.

Yes, that's an asshole move.

I think it's also pretty weird to ask people not to take photos though.

edit: "no photos during the ceremony" is different than "no photos the entire event", obviously

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by carlosjobim »

toolazytologin wrote: post #563
carlosjobim wrote: post #311

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> It seems to be that there's a very strange crowd hanging out on Hacker News, who are not aware of very basic social rules. Those include not trying to impress strange rules on guests you invite to an event. Because people will simply make excuses and not come to your wedding or whatnot. Are you genuinely suggesting that there is a basic social rule that says no other rules can be impressed on guests at an event? I…

Your comment is confused as to you believing that people would want to come to events with strange rules and not follow those rules. What happens in real life is that people decline to go to those events. Everybody knows how to behave at a wedding and what is proper conduct.

> Are you genuinely suggesting that there is a basic social rule that says no other rules can be impressed on guests at an event?

Absolutely, in the case of strange, unusual rules. If you're invited for dinner to somebody and they ask that you oblige to things which are outside of the norm, would you be very keen to go? Or would you make up an excuse and do something else?

It seems you are trying to say "You're not welcome here!" to people who already declined an invite?

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by patmcc »

toolazytologin wrote: post #563
carlosjobim wrote: post #311

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> It seems to be that there's a very strange crowd hanging out on Hacker News, who are not aware of very basic social rules. Those include not trying to impress strange rules on guests you invite to an event. Because people will simply make excuses and not come to your wedding or whatnot. Are you genuinely suggesting that there is a basic social rule that says no other rules can be impressed on guests at an event? I…

I think everyone agrees that some rules for guests are fine, and some are silly. "No flash photography or leaning into aisles during the wedding procession" is a reasonable rule, "No taking photos when we're dancing and having fun" seems silly to me.

Just like a dress code for a wedding is fine, but if they said "also you need to wear blue cotton underwear" I'd think that was a bit inappropriate to require.

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Post by goopypoop »

humanfromearth9 wrote: post #306
Gigachad wrote: post #83

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I personally don’t believe that filming airsoft is unreasonable. It’s not unreasonable for OP to not like it, but the majority are either fine with it or filming themselves. So it’s a situation of either dealing with it, or finding a new group to hang out with.

The problem is not being filmed, when the recording is used in small circles. The problem is when it's published for the world to see. As a rule of thumb, for my children at school, I refuse any use of their image if it's not for something that was already possible in the eighties. Publishing school party pictures and videos for the whole world to see was impossible in the 80s, I thus don't allow it and if it happens…

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Post by OJFord »

detaro wrote: post #358
OJFord wrote: post #344

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I did, have again, and still have no idea what you mean.

It's special because both parts apply to the UK, not just the one you quoted.

And I said nothing to the contrary? I just thought it was funny to describe the UK as 'part of the Anglo-Saxon sphere', like Rome is 'among the cities with Roman influence'.

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by patmcc »

basisword wrote: post #531
carlosjobim wrote: post #226

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A wedding is one of the most fundamentally public events that have ever existed. The purpose is so that as many people as possible should know that these people are taken. Asking guests to not take photos is such a faux pass that the couple has destroyed their reputation completely. They can have a quiet and private ceremony instead if they have stage fright.

>> Asking guests to not take photos is such a faux pass that the couple has destroyed their reputation completely. The day is not about you. Just like people are free to exclude children from weddings, if they ask you not to take photos and you take umbrage at that, you need to take a hard look at yourself. It's. Not. About. You.

I think this is a strange and very modern conception of weddings. Weddings are not just about the bride and groom; they're about the bride and groom and the community of their friends and family. That third part is a key component! It's why we invite people to weddings, so they can witness and help the couple in making and keeping the commitment of marriage.

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by mitthrowaway2 »

card_zero wrote: post #360
mitthrowaway2 wrote: post #343

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Maybe you just don't want the AI that Google is definitely training to predict video frames to insert your face into AI-generated videos?

That would be the fault of Google.

It's stated in a terms of use agreement that you are simply not a party to.

Re: What if I don't want videos of my hobby time available to the world?

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Post by eikenberry »

jen729w wrote: post #11

I get it, but the alternative is what? Get model release forms from anyone in a public space every time you turn your video camera on? Who's to say how much of you I have in the shot? Do you feature? Did you flash by? Are you blurred? Recognisable? I was shooting video of a car park exit last year. (I was trying to prove to the shopping centre owners that it was dangerous.) Mundane footage. Some lady drives out in he…

> I get it, but the alternative is what?

If AI photo/video generation continues to improve then it shouldn't be a problem as the photo/video taking culture will most likely die off once people assume any photos/videos they see are generated.

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