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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by Buttons840 » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 5:14 AM UTC

sporkxrocket wrote: post #435

UmGuys wrote: post #410

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Serious question, will you abstain from voting? There are only 2 parties and they both fund Israel. One maybe slightly less.

Yes, I will. I will not vote for anyone who supports Israel. My vote is here for the taking, I just need to see an anti-Zionist candidate.

You must vote, but I wont fault anyone for voting 3rd party (or leaving a blank ballot, if you must).

Voting 3rd party sends a message: "be more like this 3rd party if you want my vote".

Not voting also sends a message: "I wont show up and vote, so just ignore me".

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by margalabargala » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 5:16 AM UTC

mslm wrote: post #558

margalabargala wrote: post #552

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This specific political topic is absolutely not the top of everyone's mind. The number of people on HN that this tangibly affects is frankly miniscule. Most of HN is American. It's on the other side of the world. It has about as much actual effect on the typical American as the just as bad events currently unfolding in Sudan.

This thread's numbers betray you. You're living under a rock if you think this topic isn't a regular at the highest political levels, on the news, and now frankly at the ballot box.

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by rf15 » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 5:17 AM UTC

margalabargala wrote: post #563

banku_brougham wrote: post #114

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maybe because we are two years into an event that will define the early 21st century.

What about "there is war in the middle east, still/again" is remotely unique enough in the last century to be a defining moment of the half-century? If an event has the potential to be that, it's the near-peer land war in Europe. The current Israel/Gaza conflict is a blip that is mildly different in degree than the same thing that has happened every decade or so since Israel was created.

Not to this degree in the last few decades. But I feel you are overall correct, it's just that the Internet allows for much bigger coverage of the details of the horrors committed, and it's interesting how governments around the world now fail so completely to shape the narrative.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by ukblewis » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 5:17 AM UTC

tomhow wrote: post #209

cramcgrab wrote: post #164

Why is this posted on a tech news site?

From the guidelines: On-Topic: Anything that good hackers would find interesting. That includes more than hacking and startups. If you had to reduce it to a sentence, the answer might be: anything that gratifies one's intellectual curiosity. Off-Topic: Most stories about politics... unless they're evidence of some interesting new phenomenon. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Do you truly think that this news story is showing “some interesting new phenomenon”?

I am not one to talk as an Israeli Jew who clearly disagrees with the entire bullshit premise of the article… but either way, the story is only saying things that people have been (incorrectly) claiming for months

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by mediumdeviation » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 5:18 AM UTC

andsoitis wrote: post #574

For some reason, I don't see this news mentioned on any mainstream media across the political spectrum (Al Jazeera --> Guardian --> BBC --> CNN / NYT / NPR --> Fox News). Could be that I just missed it, but seems odd.

The news cycle is moving fast enough that shockingly enough this news is already pushed off the frontpage of these news sites, but the article is there if you dig a little.

- BBC: https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8641wv0n4go

- The Guardian: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/sep/16/israel-committ...

- NPR: https://www.npr.org/2025/09/16/g-s1-89014/israel-gaza-genoci...

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by Braxton1980 » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 5:18 AM UTC

dotancohen wrote: post #311

Braxton1980 wrote: post #270

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Israel needs to take a more precise approach to getting rid of Hamas.

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Attacking structures instead of Hamas members is not precision

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by ukblewis » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 5:20 AM UTC

rzk wrote: post #101

eej71 wrote: post #84

It's always useful to balance these claims against their critics. Towards that end I offer up unwatch. https://unwatch.org/

From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UN_Watch : > Agence France-Presse has described UN Watch as "a lobby group with strong ties to Israel" ... Primarily, UN Watch denounces what it views as anti-Israel sentiment at the UN and UN-sponsored events.

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Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by ruszki » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 5:20 AM UTC

margalabargala wrote: post #552

mslm wrote: post #543

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This specific political topic is on the top of everyone's mind. If the US president was assassinated, would you say the same? If your child was killed for political reasons, would you continue your blissful mornings aloof?

This specific political topic is absolutely not the top of everyone's mind. The number of people on HN that this tangibly affects is frankly miniscule. Most of HN is American. It's on the other side of the world. It has about as much actual effect on the typical American as the just as bad events currently unfolding in Sudan.

The exact mindset, rhetoric, and politics which caused this are affecting everyone. It drives both right and left politics for over a decade now all over the West - so also in America -, and if you care about yourself or anybody (or your stocks) in 10-20 years time, you should pay close attention to the consequences of this.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by energy123 » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 5:23 AM UTC

fakedang wrote: post #575

energy123 wrote: post #562

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Japanese civilians experienced far worse in WW2, and they forgot pretty quickly. The war against the Tamil Tigers would be another case study. Once the radicalism is dealt with by force, the ratcheting of violence is reduced, and people move on.

> Japanese civilians experienced far worse in WW2, and they forgot pretty quickly Because the vast majority of the Japanese people barely faced any kind of obstacles in the same way Palestinians are facing. Yes, they had food shortages and their wooden homes were bombed constantly to oblivion, and they suffered a couple of nuclear blasts, but that was because their history lessons teach their WW2 as something in whic…

Before Japan was defeated, their military propaganda was that they were victims of encirclement and an oil blockade, and the attack on Pearl Harbor was a justified response to this victimhood. They started teaching a different story only because the allies forced them to change their curriculum. The same process of deradicalization will be forced onto Gaza after the defeat of Hamas. And why did you overlook the Tamil Tigers case study? And why would you euphemize nuclear bombs onto civilian cities like this, as if it isn't significantly more brutal than anything the Palestinians have been subjected to?

> Besides, Palestinians aren't the "radicals" here.

A luxury belief that's only possible to hold because Israel is militarily dominant to the point that the radical views prevalent in Palestinian culture cannot be acted out. The Israelis know this luxury belief is factually false, that's why they are the way they are.

Re: Top UN legal investigators conclude Israel is guilty of genocide in Gaza

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Post by ukblewis » Wed, Sep 17, 2025, 5:25 AM UTC

dang wrote: post #362

SilverElfin wrote: post #241

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I wonder the same. It’s odd to see it still here given the low quality of the discussion. And it is flooded by mischaracterizations, misinformation, and one-sided hyperbolic takes. I wonder what the right space or format is to have debates like this but in an effective way, rather than sides trying to win.

However dismayed you are by the low quality of the discussion, I promise you it bothers us even more. It's awful. Not only that but whenever a thread like this appears, tomhow and I end up spending all day on it, which is by far the worst part of the job. I don't mean to complain—that would be grotesque, given the suffering that's going on—but rather to say how much easier it would be if HN did not discuss this or si…

Serious question:

Firstly, have you ever thought about the fact that one, posts like this alienate Israelis from one of the few remaining tech news sources which made them feel safe by excluding politics? (If you’re wondering what I’m talking about, in 2023, I realised that I could no longer read The Verge due to pervasive and horrendous misinformation about Israel on a tech news site)

Secondly, given the havoc that posts like this cause and that it appears to not meet any of the rules for posts on Hacker News (clearly not tech or programming related and quite frankly, no more interesting to any person in tech than any other person), why do you allow this post to still exist?