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Job-seekers are dodging AI interviewers

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Re: Job-seekers are dodging AI interviewers

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Post by snoman »

__turbobrew__ wrote: post #443
ordinaryradical wrote: post #405

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Correct, and the second subtext is that every company using one of these is actually filtering for desperation, not talent. So these companies are actually screwing themselves Think about it: if you’re talented, why would you ever put up with this bullshit? I hired for my team this year and I read every single one of the hundreds of applications. HR was experimenting with an AI recommendation software which missed a…

> every company using one of these is actually filtering for desperation Exactly. I have a very good job at a name brand tech company and regularly get reached out to by recruiters. I don’t tolerate BS like information asymmetry, take home tests, AI evaluations, etc. The whole situation kindof reminds me of online dating, the top 10% of people are targeted by the other 90%. I wonder if there is some common phenomenon…

> Unfortunately it is possible to live without a romantic partner, but in non-socialized nations it is not possible to live without an income.

That’s where self-employment becomes an option.

Re: Job-seekers are dodging AI interviewers

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Post by mcv »

akudha wrote: post #551
bee_rider wrote: post #540

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I think “what is an interface” would trip me up actually, haha. My thought process was: Well, most of the code I use uses a Reverse Communication Interface. But, I think these are pretty old-school projects, maybe I should start by talking about the Object Oriented interface to the library that we recently did. Or maybe I can talk about the file IO based interface that I did, it was extremely cursed but kind of funny…

It is not about not knowing some topic. I am myself an average programmer on my best day and I don't expect candidates to be genius level thinkers. It is the lying, the making stuff up on the spot - like what are they thinking? The blatant arrogance and callousness towards the person/people interviewing them. How hard can it be to say "I don't know" or "I don't use this concept in my daily tasks, but let me try to ex…

This is in fact one of my two requirements when interviewing: I want to hear the candidate say "I don't know" to a question. The other is that I want to hear them talk passionately about some project they once did. Bullshitting is an immediate fail.

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Post by glitchc »

benreesman wrote: post #547
os2warpman wrote: post #535

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Guns are useless. Everyone who believes guns are some kind of savior or last-ditch protector is fucking stupid. There is a reason why, during westward expansion, the first thing towns did when they got two nickels to rub together to buy bricks to build a church was ban guns. There are so many real-world examples of guns being useless that it defies logic and belief that people cling to the myth. There are so few exam…

The United States Military is the most terrifying institution of force in the history of the human race (history of the universe as far as we know). It achieves a level of training, discipline, organization, morale, combat effectiveness and general formidavlbility that makes the median Marine among the best soldiers on the planet anywhere, all backed by a logistical apparatus unrivaled by any conceivable combination…

Nah, that's only true because the US fought in accordance with the Geneva Convention. It could have easily turned the entire country to glass if it wanted to.

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Post by jeffrallen »

franktankbank wrote: post #569
SV_BubbleTime wrote: post #552

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Try and convince me that HR departments aren’t majority jobs programs for the less intellectually fortunate. It would be an uphill battle.

You:Me Preacher:Choir I actually have much more negative thoughts than that, but I'm told we should assume they are stupid rather than malicious.

If you don't think HR is malicious, you should read Company by Max Barry.

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Post by nostrademons »

shrubble wrote: post #543
os2warpman wrote: post #535

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Guns are useless. Everyone who believes guns are some kind of savior or last-ditch protector is fucking stupid. There is a reason why, during westward expansion, the first thing towns did when they got two nickels to rub together to buy bricks to build a church was ban guns. There are so many real-world examples of guns being useless that it defies logic and belief that people cling to the myth. There are so few exam…

Like with the Viet Cong and the Afghanistan people who were conquered and absorbed into the American or Russian systems, right?

The Vietnam war killed close to a million Vietnamese between North and South Vietnamese civilians and the Vietcong [1]

The Afghanistan war killed about 3500 U.S. & allied soldiers, and about 300,000 Afghans. [2]

The Iraq war killed about 5000 U.S. & allied soldiers, and about 1 million Iraqis. [3]

U.S. military power since WW2 can basically be summed up by "We can't win, but we can still kill you." If you end up dead, your side may win, but that's cold comfort (literally) for you.

The root of the discrepancy is the difference between winning as in annihilating your opponent and winning as in getting them to do what you want. Oftentimes, military force and lots of deaths actually just entrenches opposing ideology. Nothing like a common enemy that's trying to kill you to get people to band together. But you can still end up with a lot of dead people that are ideologically victorious. Always more people where they came from, and people may switch over to your cause.

Also, the huge irony of the Vietnam war is that by 1989, 15 years after the North Vietnamese "won", Vietnam was one of the most intensely capitalist countries on Earth. Because they realized that communism didn't work, and they'd all be better off with free trade and markets. Given the US's stated goal of preventing the spread of communism in southeast Asia, they would've been far more effective just letting the communists win and run the country for a few years and then dealing with the consequences of that.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vietnam_War_casualties

[2] https://web.archive.org/web/20241203211818/https://ucdp.uu.s...

[3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Casualties_of_the_Iraq_War

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Post by beefnugs »

0xpgm wrote: post #300

> “The truth is, if you want a job, you’re gonna go through this thing,” Adam Jackson, CEO and founder of Braintrust, a company that distributes AI interviewers, tells Fortune. “If there were a large portion of the job-seeking community that were wholesale rejecting this, our clients wouldn’t find the tool useful… This thing would be chronically underperforming for our clients. And we’re just not seeing that—we’re se…

Half the benefit of ai screening is upper management being able to put in race/religion/private-data-purchased restrictions without the HR knowing about these illegal settings

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Post by arrowsmith »

strbean wrote: post #527
Balgair wrote: post #522

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Wait, how does this thing work? Can't you just vibe-code your way through it? Genuinely curious on your thoughts on this idea here.

They're probably using a platform that lets you replay the entire development session (see the pace of typing into a web IDE, what files they are looking at, etc.). Applicants will have to work pretty hard to fake natural-looking input of AI-generated code.

Probably not hard to create a bot that controls your computer and makes it looks like you're typing the code in, pausing to think, going back to fix typos etc..

The arms race never stops.

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Post by tayo42 »

hawk_ wrote: post #550
strbean wrote: post #527

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They're probably using a platform that lets you replay the entire development session (see the pace of typing into a web IDE, what files they are looking at, etc.). Applicants will have to work pretty hard to fake natural-looking input of AI-generated code.

But then someone has to watch the recording which you can speed up by say 2-4x but not much more than that. This doesn't scale. The number of terrible candidates out there who have no business being anywhere near an IDE is insane.

I'd guess you do it like bot detection.

An online coding platform is going to be all js. You can track key press and mouse events and probably get a good idea of what's obviously real and what's not.

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Post by eulers_secret »

siva7 wrote: post #114
Balgair wrote: post #89

I did one of these once. Once . I felt so bad afterwards that I swore them off forever. It's not like the 'interview' was terrible or anything. I knew it was AI from the start. It was just that when I got done with it, I realized that I had talked at a computer for ~45 minutes. And, yet again, I was going to be ghosted by the company (I was), and that I was never going to get those 45 minutes back. That was time I co…

Somehow i would rather stay homeless or prostitute myself than throwing my dignity away by letting an a.i. assess me over the whole job interview. Yet this is where we are heading. Being graded by openai (and co). Iris scanned by openai. Who knows what comes next..

Wild take lol, I was recently unemployed and once I started facing the very real possibility that I'd have to go work at the local sawmill (or UPS) for $20/hr I was willing to do almost any humiliation ritual these companies wanted... and be happy I at least had a shot instead of being ghosted again.

I support the fight against this kind of thing, but I also think it's entirely hopeless: They have all the power in this situation, and this is the future they're going to force on us.

Re: Job-seekers are dodging AI interviewers

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Post by mschuster91 »

akudha wrote: post #426
throwawayoldie wrote: post #165

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It's where we're headed _if we let these assholes get away with it_. They have the money and guns, but we have the numbers.

What is the point of numbers if there is no unity? Since Covid, there are decent successes in forming unions and collective bargaining, but it is nowhere enough. How many IT workers (as an example) have unionized or even have positive opinions on unions? A handful of guys can effectively rule large groups of people for a long period of time, if the said large group can't unite, can't help each other.

> What is the point of numbers if there is no unity? Since Covid, there are decent successes in forming unions and collective bargaining, but it is nowhere enough. How many IT workers (as an example) have unionized or even have positive opinions on unions?

That is right on the money. The problem is many IT people believe in meritocracy to an absurd degree, a degree not found anywhere else.

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