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‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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post #245

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Question: Which miltary body other than any linked to one of the conflict parties did Israel propose to do the peacekeeping? If the answer is "None" then Israel did not in fact propose peacekeeping forces.

> Which miltary body other than any linked to one of the conflict parties did Israel propose to do the peacekeeping? Hamas didn’t counter with a preferred peacekeeping composition, they rejected peacekeeping to retain their monopoly on violence (and Gaza’s resources). To the extent there are evils in this story, they’re the leadership of Hamas and Likud.

So your answer is None?

I didn't claim Isreal set forth a realistic peace keeping plan, you did. And you failed to bring the receipts.

What you say here is the equivalent of Russia proposing to Ukraine that the war could be ended if they install the Russian National Guard as peace keepers in their country and then saying: "But Ukraine didn't make a counterproposal".

Yes, because that kind of proposal is an insult to the intelligence of everybody who has to read it. And your point about Hamas means you're waving the flag for one of the war parties here and thus have an entirely untrustworthy position anyways.

Let me clarify: If a party to any war proposes a peacekeeping force that is already fighting in the war, it is not a credible peace offer, period. A credible peace offer involves a peace keeping force that is seen as neutral enough by both sides of the conflict.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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The person writing the next update to this article is going to have to take a deep breath before doing so.

https://www.kqed.org/news/12043918/feds-detain-2-palestinian...

The last update was

June 13: A previous version of this story named the two Palestinian men who were sent back home. Their names were removed after concerns were raised for their safety.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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post #517

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> Israel is directly causing a mass starvation event in Gaza. Innocent children and women are dying every single day, and if nothing is done soon, scores more will in the near future. Asuming all that is true, the person you are responding to never said they supported the policies that lead to that or that state of affairs. It is possible to imagine that someone could both believe that Israel's continued military ope…

When you speak to someone from MAGA, can’t you tell when they are being amicable but still obviously support all the crazy MAGA stuff? They call this a dark trait that sociopaths have, an unusual propensity to use amicability and charm to appear perceptively reasonable. Good examples of this are Ben Shapiro and Joe Rogan, where often they just seem like well meaning balanced people. It’s manipulative behavior. If you…

When you start to dehumanize the other - believe everything they say is just a front for their true evil beliefs, regardless of if you have any evidence of that or especially if your evidence is race, religion or national origin of the speaker - That is the road to facism, and something I disagree with in the strongest possible sense.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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post #191

Israeli public figures call for ‘crippling sanctions’ on Israel over Gaza starvation https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/jul/29/letter-sanctio...

It's important to note that a big part of Israeli society opposes the JahuNatan government, the illegal settlers and war crimes in Gaza. Even after the Hamas attack on Kibbutzim near Gaza in '23. Quite important not to become part of the problem when you discuss this case. And the problem is that such a heated subject is prone to make people ideologically possessed and tribal. To a point where they become emotionally…

Netanyahu is the longest serving Israeli prime minister in history serving a combined 17 years. And he is tipped to win again next election. He very much embodies the will of the Israeli public.

If you listen to their “liberal opposition” leaders like the likes of Yair Lapid and Benny Gantz they sound just as unhinged as Netanyahu himself [1]

Every poll conducted on Israeli public opinion on the conflict would make have made Nazi officials blush. Majority of Israelis support ethnically cleansing Palestinians from Gaza [2].

Seeing the facts as they are is not being “emotionally blinded”. When genocidal psychopaths scream at the top of their lungs they want to commit genocide and actively work towards that goal, with the results right in front of our eyes, we compelled to believe them.

[1] https://x.com/ghostofbph/status/1948720978378309847?s=46

[2] https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2025-06-03/ty-article/.p...

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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post #385

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They have been settling the only territory that actually stopped the armed struggle against Israel. The West Bank has literally kicked out Hamas, stopped fighting for years, and given up their arms for the most part. And Israel has been relentlessly colonizing them since then, as a show of good faith I guess. The Palestinians there have absolutely 0 recourse, and will eventually lose all of their home land. But I'm s…

Actually hamas, pij and other organizations are alive and kicking in West Bank. There are areas that PA doesn't control because of them. Last year PA tried to deal with them, failed and called in Israel in order to take out hamas. PA in West Bank exists only because Israeli military supports it. Also there is non stop attempts (some successful and some not) to execute terror attacks from West Bank. It just never appe…

Still, as you said they are also hunted down and are marginal in the West Bank. It did nothing to stop Israel from settling as they pleased.

And the Fatah also stopped armed resistance on their own, and fought off Hamas. So while the PA might only exist now because Israel props them up, that wasn't the case 20 years ago, not to the same extent.

The West Bank Palestinians there went for a more pacifist route and in return, got the biggest wave of unbridled settlements in the past 60 years. And they have lost any mean to even scare the settlers off. The settlers know that they are almost entirely defenseless, relatively speaking.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Can someone living in Israel help me understand what is going on right now? What does the political climate look like in Israel? Do majority of people support what is happening, if so why? if not, how is the government executing this? Further, has this had any impact on the overall relationship between Jewish people worldwide and those residing in Israel? if so, how? I know that the media is all over the place and it…

To quote the NYTimes:

“Despite the desperate humanitarian crisis, a survey conducted in May by the Institute for National Security Studies at Tel Aviv University found that 64.5 percent of the Israeli public was not at all, or not very, concerned about the humanitarian situation in Gaza.”

“About three-quarters of Israeli Jews thought that Israel's military planning should not take into account the suffering of the Palestinian civilian population in Gaza, or should do so only minimally, according to another recent survey by the Israel Democracy Institute, a nonpartisan research group in Jerusalem.”

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/07/28/world/middleeast/israel-d...

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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post #473

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Why are they calling for a ceasefire instead of for Hamas to surrender?

because an end to the ethnic cleansing is more important than waiting for surrender, if that's even possible given hamas' disrupted command structure and israel's constant creation of new terrorists a ceasefire provides room for diplomacy that might lead to concessions from both sides for their atrocities, and thus might lead to peace and equality we have seen in the west bank what surrender without a ceasefire or su…

> a ceasefire provides room for diplomacy that might lead to concessions from both sides for their atrocities, and thus might lead to peace and equality

We've had something like 100 years of failed diplomacy at this point. I don't know the solution to this conflict, but i can understand why both sides suspect further diplomacy won't lead anywhere unless something fundamental changes.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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post #560
post #481

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> Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch declared a genocide over a year and a half ago Isn't that the point? They declared a genocide before Israel had even seriously responded to the attack. (Year and a half ago is Dec 2023, the attempted genocide by Palestinians was Oct 7, 2023.)

A genocide doesn't start after you kill X% of the population. It happens when you intend to, and boy do they look like they intended this all along

I believe Israel is committing war crimes but yours is the same argument that Israelis make. That genocide is about intent, which isn't there.

Re: ‘No Other Land’ consultant Awdah Hathaleen killed by Israeli settler

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Can someone living in Israel help me understand what is going on right now? What does the political climate look like in Israel? Do majority of people support what is happening, if so why? if not, how is the government executing this? Further, has this had any impact on the overall relationship between Jewish people worldwide and those residing in Israel? if so, how? I know that the media is all over the place and it…

This might help: https://www.lrb.co.uk/the-paper/v47/n13/adam-shatz/the-world... https://archive.ph/2025.07.19-181407/https://www.lrb.co.uk/t...

Thank you, this is what I wanted to know:

"‘If you feed Gazans, they eventually eat you,’ the Israeli stand-up comedian Gil Kopatz posted. ‘It’s not genocide, it’s pesticide.’ According to a survey commissioned by Penn State, more than 80 per cent of Israeli Jews now support the expulsion of Gazans. Compassion for Palestinians is taboo except among a fringe of radical activists. When Ayman Odeh, a Palestinian member of the Knesset, posted a tweet celebrating a recent prisoner exchange, he was denounced for seeming to equate the predicament of jailed Palestinians and Jewish hostages: ‘Your presence pollutes the Knesset,’ a colleague told him."

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