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OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by ghc »

redhale wrote: post #478
extr wrote: post #56

IMO other than the Microsoft IP issue, I think the biggest thing that has shifted since this acquisition was first in the works is Claude Code has absolutely exploded. Forking an IDE and all the expense that comes with that feels like a waste of effort, considering the number of free/open source CLI agentic tools that are out there. Let's review the current state of things: - Terminal CLI agents are several orders of…

Cursor's multi-file tab completion and multi-file diff experience are worth $20 easily IMO. I truly do not understand people's affinity for a CLI interface for coding agents. Scriptability I understand, but surely we could agree that CC with Cursor's UX would be superior to CC's terminal alone, right? That's why CC is pushing IDE integration -- they're just not there yet.

> surely we could agree that CC with Cursor's UX

I can't stand the UX, or VS Code's UX in general. I vastly prefer having CC open in a terminal alongside neovim. CC is fully capable of opening diffs in neovim or otherwise completely controlling neovim by talking to its socket.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by nurettin »

Tokumei-no-hito wrote: post #546
nurettin wrote: post #439

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I haven't tried deepseek but I've seen claude do crazy things if you are at the correct random.seed

what do you mean about correct random.seed?

To me, claude usually feels like a bumbling idiot. But in extremely rare cases it feels like a sentient super intelligence. I facetiously assumed that in those cases it ran on the correct RNG seed.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by sammerslam »

Wow must have seen the numbers and decideed they wanted to call it off. Not a good business model probably so the human talent is where you find the best amount. Still why would anyone ever want to work at Google? Don't they know they are contributing to a system that covertly disseminates information they want you to see. Especially the AI models. Has anyone ever wondered about the training data sometimes? What would people think of them if they knew they had the entire pestein list in their hands but decided its better to protect the ones that pay them. People need to reconsider what they believe from AI, it can be extremely abused to scale narratives.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by jspaetzel »

sammerslam wrote: post #583

Wow must have seen the numbers and decideed they wanted to call it off. Not a good business model probably so the human talent is where you find the best amount. Still why would anyone ever want to work at Google? Don't they know they are contributing to a system that covertly disseminates information they want you to see. Especially the AI models. Has anyone ever wondered about the training data sometimes? What woul…

It's somewhat telling that the most valuable part of an company is the people, some things don't change

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by asdf6969 »

apwell23 wrote: post #523
submeta wrote: post #510

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When I setup systems, I thoroughly document them, test them, develop them according to architectural best practices. My AI assisted code generation is lightyears ahead of what I see in companies I have worked for. The best they —the companies—-do is hire expensive consultants. Who sell them preconfigured system. And when you look into those systems you won’t believe your eyes either. Because you instantly realise tha…

did i miss it or did you still not answer > Who's reviewing all the code you are churning out with ai?

He didn’t answer because he didn’t even read your comment. Likely a bot

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by submeta »

apwell23 wrote: post #523
submeta wrote: post #510

Earlier quoted context omitted.

When I setup systems, I thoroughly document them, test them, develop them according to architectural best practices. My AI assisted code generation is lightyears ahead of what I see in companies I have worked for. The best they —the companies—-do is hire expensive consultants. Who sell them preconfigured system. And when you look into those systems you won’t believe your eyes either. Because you instantly realise tha…

did i miss it or did you still not answer > Who's reviewing all the code you are churning out with ai?

I don’t review every single line that AI generates. I glance over the files to see if they meet my standards, prompt it to rewrite this or that portion, when necessary. Or change it myself.

Writing code is the most tedious part, not reviewing.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by theyinwhy »

anton-c wrote: post #532
dalemhurley wrote: post #59

Cursor (and Garry Tan’s X post) has shown us that the VC money is propping up these companies astounding growth, the only way for them to become profitable is to increase the cost per a request, which means they need to innovate like crazy. The moat is paper thin. GitHub has open sourced copilot. The open source community is working hard on their own projects. No doubt Cursor is moving fast to create amazing innovati…

I seriously cannot keep up. I fell a bit behind and now I feel I need a primer to know who owns/acquired/developed all these additional things surrounding the ai space

That information is as important as knowing about soap opera characters.

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by asdf6969 »

Can someone explain how this works financially for the acquihired? I know they aren’t joining like a regular employee with a high TC. Does Google offer them a giant multi-million (billion?) dollar signing bonus? Why would they tank the value of the company they own just to be another employee at Google?

Re: OpenAI’s Windsurf deal is off, and Windsurf’s CEO is going to Google

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Post by tsimionescu »

0xDEAFBEAD wrote: post #431
tsimionescu wrote: post #410

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They are not worker owned, they have some small amount of worker ownership. But the majority of stock is never owned by workers, other than the CEO.

Consider also that VC funds often have pension funds as their limited partners. Workers have a claim to their pension, and thus a claim to the startup returns that the VC invests in. So yeah it basically comes down to your definition of "worker-owned". What fraction of worker ownership is necessary? Do C-level execs count as workers? Can it be "worker-owned" if the "workers" are people working elsewhere? Beyond the "…

> Supposing there was an SV startup that was relatively generous with equity compensation, so over 50% of equity is owned by non-C-level employees. What would you expect to change, if anything, if that threshold was passed?

If the workers are majority owners, then they can, for example, fire a CEO that is leading the company in the wrong direction, or trying to cut their salaries, or anything like that.

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