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The death of partying in the USA

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Re: The death of partying in the USA

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Post by scotty79 »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #249

This was a post on the GenX subreddit (from a Gen Zer) from just a couple days ago asking about if parties as portrayed in late 90s/early 00s "teen movies" were actually a real thing: https://www.reddit.com/r/GenX/comments/1lu102v/were_parties_... The responses from the Gen Xers were a mix of bewilderment and sadness, stuff like "What do you mean parties like this, it's just a normal teenage party!? I feel so ancient…

I never saw the point of those. People, alcohol, what's fun about any of that? Tripping over your own legs with a bunch of similarly incapable humans while drowning in noise and fine particulates is toddler level fun. But with potential of acquiring adult level damage.

Re: The death of partying in the USA

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Post by typewithrhythm »

bluGill wrote: post #383
typewithrhythm wrote: post #242

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This is both ignoring inflation, and the potential to shorten the duration of the loan.

Inflation is a factor in a few years but never today. Now inithe 1970s high inflation meant that a house you can barely afford becomes a small part of the budget in a couple years while the small inflation of today means a house you can barely afford today is still a big part of the budget in 5 years - but that is not a consideration of today.

It absolutely is a massive factor; because people plan a few years ahead. Consider how much it changes what you can afford if you save one year worth of payments in each case.

There is also less need to get the maximum possible loan if house prices are lower as a ratio to income.

Re: The death of partying in the USA

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Post by amenhotep »

starkparker wrote: post #511
millipede wrote: post #455

I've been throwing moderately large parties the past 2 years (12-40 people) and the lack of partying is definitely noticeable. Most people don't reciprocate, making it disheartening to keep doing it. I wanted to build friendships out of it, and hopefully get invited to more parties myself, but so far it hasn't happened. It's a decent amount of set up (cleaning, buying food, coordinating), and a lot of clean up after…

> The ROI isn't where I want it. I know this is HN, but sometimes - maybe, hopefully, sometimes - neither R nor I is involved in an action. If you aren't enjoying doing it then by all means stop doing it. But throwing a party isn't supposed to have deliverables or action items.

It's a slightly jargony way to say "it isn't worth it to me", which is totally fine. Come on.

Re: The death of partying in the USA

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Post by scelerat »

janalsncm wrote: post #480
skeeter2020 wrote: post #470

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You can't even make a high school team anymore unless you start playing club & private at a very young age. Lots of primary public schools (K-6/7) which is where I learned sports and got good at a few, often don't have sports teams anymore, or if they do it's a few passionate people with limited coaching and sports skills who just want to provide any opportunity.

The natural solution would be to increase the number of teams to also accommodate people who are interested but don’t want to or are unable to dedicate their life to sports. But if schools need to cut costs, it’s tough to do. It’s a common trend in many domains: universities, housing, jobs. An underabundance of resources means people need to gear up to fight over the things that still exist.

> natural solution would be to increase the number of teams

Reminds me of my dad (b. 1945) talking about his HS sports experience in the early ‘60s at a large (~3500) Southern California public school. Not only were there varsity, JV and frosh teams, in high-interest sports like football and basketball there were multiple teams for every grade. Competition was still high if you wanted to play at the highest level, but if you wanted to play, there was probably an option for you.

Public schools are simply not funded the same way today

Re: The death of partying in the USA

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Post by autoexec »

frollogaston wrote: post #474
hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #249

This was a post on the GenX subreddit (from a Gen Zer) from just a couple days ago asking about if parties as portrayed in late 90s/early 00s "teen movies" were actually a real thing: https://www.reddit.com/r/GenX/comments/1lu102v/were_parties_... The responses from the Gen Xers were a mix of bewilderment and sadness, stuff like "What do you mean parties like this, it's just a normal teenage party!? I feel so ancient…

Some people want to make everything about "walkable cities." Maybe they can come back with socialization stats for non-driving-age kids, or those in Manhattan.

Something tells me that tightly packed populations in urban settings and their landlords are way less accepting of huge parties in an apartment playing loud music than a small number of homeowners in a suburb are about someone in the cul-de-sac having a house party playing loud music.

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Post by latency-guy2 »

starkparker wrote: post #508
Aurornis wrote: post #257

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> People these days don’t own real estate. Wealthy people own it all. Normal people are renting apartments or portions of homes. It’s kind of hard to throw a big party without a big home, a yard, a big kitchen, etc. Small apartments are for small get-togethers that probably don’t register as parties. This is baffling to me. Most of the parties I went to in high school, college, and my 20s were in people's tiny apartm…

Gen Z in particular is deathly afraid of having an earnest but unflattering moment captured in someone else's TikTok and distributed to the entire planet.

The stakes are naturally higher and harsher than at any point in history. The government, all kinds, are reinforcing it, and governments are entirely reflective of society, there is no washing your hands of this responsibility.

Gen-Z is not only completely in the right in being sheepish, their predecessors are entirely to blame, and every attempt to claim they were not a part of the increasing surveillance state is a lie.

Even the older members of Gen-Z can be blamed to a small degree.

There is no cure

Re: The death of partying in the USA

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Post by stockresearcher »

conductr wrote: post #570
stockresearcher wrote: post #557

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> So we've been playing soccer, baseball, flag football, basketball, lacrosse, swimming, etc. the last few years Swimming is great. USA Swimming has a well-developed system. Elite kids get sorted into the serious clubs where they swim with Olympic champions, etc. But the vast majority of the clubs are rec level and focus on getting lots of people swimming and having fun. Everyone gets a USA Swimming ID number and tim…

In my hyperlocal area, lacrosse is pretty serious. There's a lot of private schools that fuel it. And, football is our main sport in terms of popularity but a lot of parents are afraid of injuries and don't allow it so lacrosse fills that void. The NFL driving flag football has been interesting to witness, the kids love it and it's fun to watch. I think it could get pretty popular.

Interesting that lacrosse is still popular in your area. The popularity in my area is waning, which clearly has affected my viewpoint.

I like flag football a lot. There are adult leagues too, coed and men’s only. The NFL is smart to push it; kids that excel can eventually transition to the real thing while the rest enjoy it and learn the finer details of the game and likely become bigger fans of NFL teams.

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Post by Phanyxx »

aksss wrote: post #198
Apreche wrote: post #28

This article isn’t wrong, but it neglects to mention real estate, transportation, and lodging. A party needs a venue, and it needs guests. And the guests need a way to get to and from the venue. If they stay a long time, they need a place to sleep. People these days don’t own real estate. Wealthy people own it all. Normal people are renting apartments or portions of homes. It’s kind of hard to throw a big party witho…

You need a home to party? News to my younger self. Parties in crowded shitty apartments, outdoors, or even in cars were the norm when we were young. This complaint - we don’t have nice houses so we can’t party - is unintentionally emblematic of the root issue in misaligned expectations and excuses for realigned priorities. Nobody Inknew when young had houses either. Look, it’s not obviously bad to me that young peopl…

And even if every person did live in a detached home where they could hypothetically throw a party, there are smartphone connected Ring cameras everywhere. Parents always know what's going on now.

Re: The death of partying in the USA

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Post by chickensong »

I see a lot of reasons and excuses about the decline in partying, and the internet is obviously changing society and culture, as well as every generation of parents, but at some point everyone needs to take some responsibility and make their own decisions. At least people today have amazing tools to throw parties, if that's what they want to do.

FWIW, I spent the holiday weekend raving under the stars in the forest and it was great, as always. Mostly old people though.

Re: The death of partying in the USA

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Post by luckydata »

bluGill wrote: post #232
luckydata wrote: post #27

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I see this SO MUCH, I wonder if you're also in California. I find this state particularly difficult to have a social life in. Everyone is "friendly" but nobody wants to be your friend, always chasing something else and never making time (exceptions apply). It's been exhausting to live here and I can't wait to go back to Europe where social life was not nearly as difficult.

People are friendly everywhere, but they mostly already have a full friend group and so are not looking to add more. Thus breaking in as a new comer is hard. However there are always people who need new friends it is just hard to find them.

According to data nobody has friends anymore, especially men.
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