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Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by esseph »

PoshBreeze wrote: post #342
esseph wrote: post #334

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I used Debian for about 15 years. Honestly? Fedora is really the premier Linux distro these days. It's where the most the development is happening, by far. All of my hardware, some old, some brand new (AMD card), worked flawlessly out of the box. There was a point when you couldn't get me to use an rpm-based distro if my life depended on it. That time is long gone.

I don't want to use Fedora. Other than I've found it unreliable I switched to Debian because I was fed up of all the Window-isms/Corporate stuff in the distro that was enabled by default that I was trying to get away from. It the same reason I don't want to use Bazzite. It misses the point of using a Linux/Unix system altogether. I also learned a long time ago Distro Hopping doesn't actually fix your issues. You just…

Hey, were you using KDE/Plasma, by chance?

I just switched over to it last night and my audio in Helldivers 2 in particular is awful and I'm having framerate dives.

If I got back to Gnome3, it's much more stable in fps and my audio problems go away.

This is with VRR on/off in both.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by Tijdreiziger »

kbolino wrote: post #580
Tijdreiziger wrote: post #574

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Yeah, but you’re missing the specialization angle. NVIDIA and Intel as companies are specialized in the design (and in the latter case, manufacturing) of chips. Board OEMs are specialized in making a consumer-ready product, maintaining worldwide sales and distribution channels, and consumer relations. Of course, it wouldn’t be impossible for NVIDIA to start doing these things on their own (see Apple, who designs chip…

Ironically, Intel's GPU business seems to be entirely in-house. Though maybe it too will get spun off in whole or in part. As far as nVidia is concerned, they lost the privilege to be treated like a small fabless startup. They are regularly ranked as the highest valued company on the U.S. stock market. They clearly can make and sell the whole card themselves, so having GIGABYTE, ASUS, and co. hang around and take the…

They can, but do they care to?

They’re making an overwhelming share of their revenue on ‘data center’, so I doubt they’re desperate to shake up their gaming business.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by int_19h »

whatevertrevor wrote: post #562
int_19h wrote: post #507

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I would strongly disagree. If anything, it's the other way around - a typical 90s game had a fairly steep learning curve. Often no tutorials whatsoever, difficulty could be pretty high from the get go, players were expected to essentially learn through trial and error and failing a lot. Getting familiar enough with the game mechanics to stop losing all the time would often take a while, and could be frustrating while…

Yeah it's mostly nostalgia and selection bias speaking. Easy to remember all the flaws of games you have played recently and compare them to the handful of classics you can remember from the 90s. There was so so so much trial and error in games in the 90s, with some you basically had to press different inputs to even figure out what does what. No QoL features, really poor save systems that forced you to play the same…

Mind you, I'm not saying the current state of affairs is better. On QoL features the pendulum swung too much in the other direction IMO to the point where it's hard to suspend disbelief sometimes.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by 0dayz »

__turbobrew__ wrote: post #49

> With over 90% of the PC market running on NVIDIA tech, they’re the clear winner of the GPU race. The losers are every single one of us. I have been rocking AMD GPU ever since the drivers were upstreamed into the linux kernel. No regrets. I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. But consumer gotta consoooooo…

Amd is at times better than nvidia it's productivity where nvidia is king.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by account42 »

__turbobrew__ wrote: post #49

> With over 90% of the PC market running on NVIDIA tech, they’re the clear winner of the GPU race. The losers are every single one of us. I have been rocking AMD GPU ever since the drivers were upstreamed into the linux kernel. No regrets. I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. But consumer gotta consoooooo…

Gamers seem to be particularly bad about eating up whatever their masters serve them.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by jama211 »

__turbobrew__ wrote: post #49

> With over 90% of the PC market running on NVIDIA tech, they’re the clear winner of the GPU race. The losers are every single one of us. I have been rocking AMD GPU ever since the drivers were upstreamed into the linux kernel. No regrets. I have also realized that there is a lot out there in the world besides video games, and getting all in a huff about it isn’t worth my time or energy. But consumer gotta consoooooo…

That might work for you, but in general just hoping other consumers will stop wanting to do things because they’re starting to get exploited is hope based denial about how people work.

Systematic fixes are required because as we know advocating for abstinence isn’t an effective solution ;)

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by pshirshov »

kouteiheika wrote: post #270
pshirshov wrote: post #199

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W7900 has 48 Gb and is reasonably priced.

It' $4.2k on Newegg; I wouldn't necessarily call it reasonably priced, even compared to NVidia. If we're looking at the ultra high end, you can pay double that and get an RTX 6000 Pro with double the VRAM (96GB vs 48GB), double the memory bandwidth (1792 GB/s vs 864 GB/s) and much much better software support. Or you could get an RTX 5000 Pro with the same VRAM, better memory bandwidth (1344 GB/s vs 864 GB/s) at simi…

> Why the hell would I ever buy AMD in this situation?

I've purchased one earlier this year for ~3200 USD. Brand new. Dunno why US prices are so high. Torch/llama work fine on this card, it's suitable for multiple compute tasks, the price is reasonable, but apparently not always/everywhere.

> you can pay double that

That's... double that.

UPD. Just checked current EU prices. W7900 is 3200 EUR (been cheaper before), cheapest Nvidia card is RTX Pro 5000 for 5300 (much slower than W7900), cheapest 96Gb Nvidia card is 10K.

W7900 still provides best bang per dollar.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by sixothree »

ThatPlayer wrote: post #249
sixothree wrote: post #247

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But we're not talking about resolution here. We're talking about interpolation of entire frames, multiple frames.

I don't think we are? Article talks about DLSS on RTX 20 series cards, which do not support DLSS frame-gen: > What always rubbed me the wrong way about how DLSS was marketed is that it wasn’t only for the less powerful GPUs in NVIDIA’s line-up. No, it was marketed for the top of the line $1,000+ RTX 20 series flagship models to achieve the graphical fidelity with all the bells and whistles.

I see.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by frollogaston »

msgodel wrote: post #356
y-curious wrote: post #146

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It's Linux, what software doesn't need fiddling to work?

Other than maybe iOS what OSes in general don't need fiddling these days to be usable?

Mac. And Windows evidently, even though MS treats you like dirt.

Re: Nvidia won, we all lost

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Post by frollogaston »

surgical_fire wrote: post #331
JeremyNT wrote: post #252

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True for single player, but if you're into multiplayer games anti-cheat is an issue.

If a game requires invasive anticheat, it is probably something I won't enjoy playing. Most likely the game will be full of cheaters anyway. And yes, I rarely play anything online multiplayer.

So you have a specifically Linux-friendly game library
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