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Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by watwut »

legitster wrote: post #53
rectang wrote: post #7

I have zero faith in "free market" ideologues, because what we actually get when they gain power is just favoritism for "free market" ideologues.

Trump was never actually a "free market" idealogue. And the GOP officially dropped any mentions of it from their party platform a few years ago. If anything, they are doing exactly what they promised. They were against globalism and elites and international agreements and governance and they are being true to their words.

They are not against elites. They are elites vaging war on their ennemies who are not elites.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by neuroelectron »

cosmicgadget wrote: post #166

Let me make sure I understand this: the president is addressing the fentanyl state of emergency by tariffing imported vehicle parts from wherever?

You're not wrong to raise an eyebrow here — the connection between fentanyl and imported vehicle parts isn't exactly intuitive. Let's unpack this.

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by joshstrange »

thrance wrote: post #234
HarHarVeryFunny wrote: post #151

So how does this encourage a shift to domestic manufacturing? It's basically a reward for those who have already done what you want rather than incentivizing those who's behavior you'd like to change. It's a carrot for sure, but the carrot is out of reach since now you're putting financial stress on those you're hoping to bear the cost of moving onshore by giving an advantage to their competitors. It's similar to giv…

That was yesterday's narrative, keep up! Now tariffs were a plan to pressure our allies to renegotiate their trade deals with us in our favor, and that worked great! (According to the white house (Also forget that not a single deal was made)). Oops! Scratch that, now that China won't back down on their retaliatory tariffs, they were always a tool to make China "fall back in line" or something. Yeah, destroying our ow…

> Also forget that not a single deal was made

Whoa, whoa, whoa, good sir, Trump has personally made 200 deals [0] that are totally real, they just go another school.

[0] https://time.com/7280114/donald-trump-2025-interview-transcr...

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by rectang »

rayiner wrote: post #298
mmooss wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> in the south violence against the government is treated as distinct from violence against fellow citizens From what I see and know, among conservative supporters violence against police is strongly condemned and to be harshly punished, as is any form of protest that is arguably the slightest bit disruptive. > chiefly concerned with protecting the majority from the government. In fact, by their actions, they make th…

> From what I see and know, among conservative supporters violence against police is strongly condemned and to be harshly punished, as is any form of protest that is arguably the slightest bit disruptive. The question is who the police are being deployed to protect, private citizens or the government itself. Ordinarily police are deployed to protect citizens from criminals, so it’s bad to attack the police. But the C…

The US Civil War was fought over protecting minorities from private slaveowners, so the federal government’s role didn’t fundamentally change in the 1960s.

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

thinkcontext wrote: post #252
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #154

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One nit: The military is not bound to follow the executive. They are bound to follow the Constitution . I still retain enough naive optimism to hope that, had it come to that, that distinction would have mattered.

J6 made me wonder how many Michael Flynns would it take to get some part of the military to take part in a coup.

Some part? One.

Enough parts? A lot more than that.

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Post by noirscape »

protocolture wrote: post #331
leereeves wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's pure speculation, but quite possible. Corruption is nothing new in Washington. The real question is whether people support bringing auto manufacturing back to America. As always, people who like the policy/candidate/official will overlook the corruption, while people who dislike the policy/candidate/official complain about it. The people who demanded evidence about Biden will accept speculation about Trump, ju…

American labor is low quality and high cost. China is no longer a guarantee of cheap and terrible like it used to be. If america wants to make shit again they need to compete on cost terms and quality terms. Honestly the biggest issue I have seen with US companies trying to manufacture goods is that they tend to only target US customers. Especially at the low end. There must be some quirk with US postage where it is…

At least internationally speaking, American products tend to have a reputation of being expensive, low quality and the company's marketing department is gonna try to find ways to squeeze even more out of you after a purchase, to the point of doing things that probably should be illegal.

This is in contrast to European designed products, which are expensive, but usually are high quality, work really well and last for much longer. (In exchange, the user experience does often feel like it was designed by someone who is way too technically minded/thinks that all UX innovations past the 80s or 90s should be treated with extreme prejudice, whether that's good or bad.)

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Post by _heimdall »

labster wrote: post #525
InDubioProRubio wrote: post #461

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Usually industry insiders just switch jobs directly into the bureaucracy writing the laws?

There is a revolving door between industry and bureaucracy, true. There is a problem with getting qualified people who are not conflicted financially and who are not bound by preconceptions. This problem is not particularly tractable, but granting all the decisions to the leader can only make it worse.

Granting the powers to either is also an option, and a reasonable one in my opinion if our two options are granting decisions to those using the revolving door or the one person at the top (regardless of who that person is).

Re: Only Teslas exempt from new auto tariffs thanks to 85% domestic content rule

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Post by SideburnsOfDoom »

duggan wrote: post #567
matttproud wrote: post #536

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Give the U.S. ten years and "clientelism" will have become a household word.

And perhaps "state capture", which is a term I first heard from South Africans. Edit: incidentally, only mentioning SA as academics there developed the theory around it, to the best of my knowledge.

Yep. 3 Months ago:

> The implicit justification for valuing Tesla now is not "we sell good cars", it is state capture.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43023325

Indeed I also heard it in context of South Africa. But Wikipedia also has other, earlier examples too.

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