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Google is winning on every AI front

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Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by SkyMarshal »

flux293m wrote: post #182
a1371 wrote: post #146

I think my experience has been different from everyone else. As an owner of a pixel phone and multiple Google accounts, I wanted this to be true. But Gemini has been super inconsistent with tasks that are trivial for Google Assistant. I even bought the $26 AI plan for my account to help with some proofreading and it's been awful compared to ChatGPT. I'm about to cancel it.

Something I've noticed is that Gemini through gemini.google.com or through the mobile apps is vastly inferior to Gemini through aistudio.google.com. Much worse handling of long contexts amongst other things. Very odd that a product that is free (AI Studio use is free), is much worse than the product I am paying 20 quid a month for. I find this to be especially true for the newer models like "gemini-2.5-pro-preview-03…

Why does Google even have these two different interfaces?

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by fragmede »

johnecheck wrote: post #356
fragmede wrote: post #285

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It goes to internal corporate culture, and what happens to you when you point out an uncomfortable truth. Do we shoot the messenger, or heed her warnings and pivot the hopefully not Titanic? RIM/Blackberry didn't manage to avoid it either. People like to believe CEOs aren't worth their pay package, and sometimes they're not. But a look at a couple of their failures and a different CEO of Kodak wouldn't have had what…

If the king/ceo is great, autocracy works well. When a fool inevitably takes the throne, disaster ensues. I can't say for sure that a different system of government would have saved Kodak. But when one man's choices result in disaster for a massive organization, I don't blame the man. I blame the structure that laid the power to make such a mistake on his shoulders.

that seems weird. Why hold up one person as being great while not also holding up one person as not? If my leader led me into battle and we were victorious, we'd put it on them. if they lead us to ruin, why should I blame the organizational structure that led to them getting power as the culprit instead of blaming them directly?

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by prettyblocks »

UltraSane wrote: post #473
istjohn wrote: post #419

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> No guarantees that Google discover a meaningful business model here... I don't understand this sentiment at all. The business model writes itself (so to speak). This is the company that perfected the art of serving up micro-targeted ads to people at the moment they are seeking a solution to a problem. Just swap the search box for a chat bot. For a while they'll keep the ads off to the side, but over time the ads wi…

LLM based advertising has amazing potential when you consider that you can train them to try to persuade people to buy the advertised products and services.

How would you track this?

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by moshegramovsky »

datavirtue wrote: post #379
ghaff wrote: post #297

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I think the HN crowd widely overestimates how many people are even passingly familiar with the LLM landscape much less use any of the tools regularly.

My wife, the farthest you can get from the HN crowd, literally goes to tears when faced with Excel or producing a Word doc and she is a regular user of copilot and absolutely raves about it. Very unusual for her to take up new tech like this and put it to use but she uses it for everything now. Horse is out of the barn.

My Dad is elderly and he enjoys writing. Uses Google Gemini a few times a week. I always warn him that it can hallucinate and he seems to get it.

It's changed his entire view of computing.

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by runjake »

b112 wrote: post #425
fernandopj wrote: post #347

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Google is very good at recognizing existential threats. iOS were that to them and they built Android, including hardware, a novelty for them, even faster than mobile incumbents at the time. They're more than willing to expand their moat around AI even if that means multiple unprofitable business for years.

In tech, Android's acquisition by Google is ancient history. It has zero relevance to today's Google. When was it, 2006? Almost 20 years ago, back when the company was young.

Mobile is still nearly everything. Google continues to develop and improve Android in substantial ways. Android is also counted on by numerous third-party OEMs.

This doesn’t strike me as zero relevance.

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Post by jsk2600 »

culopatin wrote: post #462
levocardia wrote: post #51

Google is winning on every front except... marketing (Google has a chatbot?), trust (who knew the founding fathers were so diverse?), safety (where's the 2.5 Pro model card?), market share (fully one in ten internet users on the planet are weekly ChatGPT users), and, well, vibes (who's rooting for big G, exactly?). But I will admit, Gemini Pro 2.5 is a legit good model. So, hats off for that.

I had to stop using Gemini 2.5 because the UI peaks my MPB cpu at max and I can’t type my prompt at more than a character every 2 seconds. I can’t even delete my chats lol. Anyone else?

On deleting chats, I accidentally discovered that AI Studio creates a 'Google AI Studio' folder on your Google Drive with all the links to chats. If you delete the 'link' from there, it will disappear in AI Studio...interesting UX :-)

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Post by gavmor »

cryptozeus wrote: post #573

This article is the example of why google ai is not winning market share. All you have shown is bunch of graphs and numbers, two image and video examples are horrible. This would not want me even touch google ai. Meanwhile world is going crazy over ghibli images with openai. Users are not stupid!

Do Ghibli images represent the most significant—lucrative, high-margin, world-changing, or ubiquitously impactful—vertical to which generative models can be applied?

Re: Google is winning on every AI front

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Post by [deleted] »

8f2ab37a-ed6c wrote: post #68
levocardia wrote: post #51

Google is winning on every front except... marketing (Google has a chatbot?), trust (who knew the founding fathers were so diverse?), safety (where's the 2.5 Pro model card?), market share (fully one in ten internet users on the planet are weekly ChatGPT users), and, well, vibes (who's rooting for big G, exactly?). But I will admit, Gemini Pro 2.5 is a legit good model. So, hats off for that.

Google is also terribly paranoid of the LLM saying anything controversial. If you want a summary of some hot topic article you might not have the time to read, Gemini will straight up refuse to answer. ChatGPT and Grok don't mind at all.

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Post by ysofunny »

crazygringo wrote: post #503
rzz3 wrote: post #153

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You really hit the nail on the head with trust. Knowing the power of these AIs and how absolutely little I trust Google, I’d never tell trust Gemini with the things I’ll say to ChatGPT.

That's curious. Large corporations wind up creating internal policies, controls, etc. If you know anyone who works in engineering at Google, you'll find out about the privacy and security reviews required in launching code. Startups, on the other hand, are the wild west. One policy one day, another the next, engineers are doing things that don't follow either policy, the CEO is selling data, and then they run out of…

cue the openAI movie

same pattern as Mark Zuckerberg's movie.

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