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How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by tstrimple »

Jensson wrote: post #332
dclowd9901 wrote: post #204

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Right, but it's what their news outlets tell them is going on. They fully believed Kamala was a threat to their gun ownership, and her race and gender (let's face it) was a threat to their ego.

> her race and gender (let's face it) was a threat to their ego. Its more common for right wing parties to elect a female leader than for left wing parties to, so if you look at leaders of countries most women are right wing. So if anything it is the left that has an issue with female leaders, not the right.

That perfectly explains why women make up 42% of the Democratic congressional body while only 15% for Republicans.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by whoisthemachine »

soraminazuki wrote: post #499
wrs wrote: post #364

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What we’re experiencing is a group exploiting the biggest vulnerability in the American system, one that was known to the founding fathers. If you can get enough people to vote for you and your friends, then all of the checks and balances will eventually fail against you, because in the end they’re all dependent on the populace not voting for people who corrupt the system. It probably wouldn’t have seemed plausible t…

> It probably wouldn’t have seemed plausible to them Or more like there is no solution to this besides telling people to be vigilant about protecting their democracies.

"A republic, if can keep it".

[0] https://constitutioncenter.org/education/classroom-resource-...

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by spiderfarmer »

soraminazuki wrote: post #380
sapphicsnail wrote: post #313

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I have yet to see a free speech absolutist express concern about the government and media suppressing Gaza protestors or LGBTQ books being banned or anything else that affects the left. Doesn't seem very principled to me.

This kind of response reinforces the parent's concern. Expressing concern for the erosion of free speech rights doesn't make one a right wing fanatic just because they don't mention every other political issue in the exact same comment.

The free speech absolutists were always criticized because of their hypocrisy, not because of their ideology. At least the people saying there should be limits to free speech are clear and impartial as to where those limits should be, supported by laws and regulations.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by someothherguyy »

amitport wrote: post #471
tombert wrote: post #3

I understand why these things have to be posted, but I would be lying if I said that I wasn't utterly exhausted by the constant shit that the Trump administration is spitting at us. I mean, I get it, bad shit needs to be reported on, the Trump admin does a lot of bad shit, it makes sense, but it's just extremely tiring. I know that's kind of the point, to bombard us with all this shit all at once so that we are exhau…

People voted for Trump because the democratic party is THAT bad. Instead of keeping attacking Trump maybe it is time to ponder what is it about the current democratic party that made so many people disapprove of them.

Plenty of other reasons they could have voted the way they did?

https://navigatorresearch.org/2024-post-election-survey-the-...

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Post by aredox »

starchild3001 wrote: post #82

I thought this country was founded on the principles of enlightenment. And the same principles made it a world leader. Now that enlightenment values are actively being dismantled what next can we expect?

Enlightenment - and slavery. And the ethnic cleansing of the natives.

Americans from the very beginning started playing on words - "all men are equal, but women aren't men, natives aren't citizens, and negros aren't even humans"

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Post by cvz »

mychael wrote: post #561
knowaveragejoe wrote: post #391

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Life-long classical liberal here. I don't know how you could arrive at these conclusions today.

I arrive at these conclusions the same way many of my classically liberal friends and fellow libertarians who support Trump do — by evaluating his actions through the lens of limited government, individual liberty, and fiscal restraint: • DOGE and Fiscal Discipline: The goal of cutting $1 trillion from the federal budget, a major libertarian priority. • Freedom of Speech: Consistently opposes online censorship. Appoi…

I will leave aside my own judgment of the things you've listed. I don't agree with all of them, but I do agree with some. My exact opinion doesn't matter here.

What matters is this: you can agree that Trump has done good things and still think he's done horrible things as well. A shit sandwich is still a shit sandwich. You shouldn't eat it just because the bread's edible.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by spiderfarmer »

sham1 wrote: post #431
milesrout wrote: post #405

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Nobody is banning books. Removing inappropriate material from school libraries isn't book banning. Have you seen some of the books that are being removed? That books with graphic depictions of aren't appropriate for children is a view perfectly compatible with strong support for freedom of expression.

Okay, but counterpoint: why don't these school libraries also remove for example the Bible, a work known for extremely graphic content, eroticism, calls to kill based on one's tribe and doing stuff like working on the Sabbath. It's also a book explicitly meant for indoctrinating children into a given religion, or actually one of two religions! These principles of what is good and age-appropriate for children doesn't…

Because the bible teaches hypocrisy, a very important skill that will help create future leaders.

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Post by nine_k »

kelseyfrog wrote: post #573
nine_k wrote: post #478

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Quoting the article: > It’s shunning time in Madison County, Virginia, where the school board recently banished my novel The Handmaid’s Tale from the shelves of the high-school library. Note: a school library. A student can go to a regular library and check out this book, if they are really interested. If you want to see what real book banning looks like, read the list: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_ban…

Redefining the definition of book banning is not a good look and not a way to win this argument. It's a hole you really don't want to dig.

The First Amendment specifically speaks about government not limiting free expression. An indeed, school boards are a branch of the government, not a private organization. Their actions may be seen as a real infraction on the First Amendment.

Thank you for the correction.

Re: How each pillar of the First Amendment is under attack

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Post by spiderfarmer »

beepbopboopp wrote: post #542
boroboro4 wrote: post #244

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While I’m with you on attention economy I think it’s simplification of what’s going on: – we had very dysfunctional legislature for last 20+ years – quality of life is falling for majority of people This contributes to feeling of unfairness in the society which pushes authoritarian and populist ideas.

With all do respect, I dont think so. The unfairness is relative feeling of judgment brought to you directly by the ability to compare yourself to your neighbors via social.

If only the USA as a country compared themselves with countries that do better.
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