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Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by hu3 »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #436
debesyla wrote: post #413

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How is letting users to disable bloat a bad feature? For example, can you remove Chess from MacOS? Nope! Why? What I found on Reddit, it seems because it's integral part of MacOS somehow and I am a bad person for even asking, somehow.

Chess is 11Mb, you must be desperate for space if you want to remove that.

Bloat adds up.

Each part alone might not be large but together it starts to become an annoyance.

Also bloat is not just about disk space but also cognitive load and clean interface.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by PhilipRoman »

rollcat wrote: post #575
NavinF wrote: post #523

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> Linux power management is pretty good > defaults favor desktop and server performance Desktops are in S3 half the day consuming ~0 power. During use, electricity costs are so much lower than hardware costs that approximately nobody cares about or even measures the former. Servers have background tasks running at idle priority all day so the power consumption is effectively constant. Laptop and phone are the only pl…

My Mac mini (M1) sips ~6W idle and is completely inaudible. It acts as a desktop whenever I need it to, and as a server 24/7. I only power up my NAS (WoL) for daily backups. The rest of the homelab is for fun and experiments, but mostly gone. "Idle" x86-64 SOHO servers still eat ~30W with carefully selected parts and when correctly tuned, >60W if you just put together random junk. "Cloud" works because of economies o…

The low power draw is definitely not exclusive to Macs, a similar x86 mini PC with Linux will also draw around 5W idle.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by egeozcan »

rekoil wrote: post #541
egeozcan wrote: post #517

Last week, I switched to a Mac for the first time in my life after using Windows and Linux for around 30 years. Naturally, I hate a lot of things due to old habits, and the shortcuts constantly confuse me. But what really surprises me is the number of obvious bugs in common workflows. At least five times a day, I catch myself thinking, "There's no way this is actually broken." I didn't expect macOS to be even buggier…

Off the top of my head I'm mainly thinking about `cut and paste` in Finder, that's a very common one people complain about, but other than that I'm curious what you're referring to if it's happening five times a day with new things, any chance you could outline some examples?

Examples just from today: Window snapping (or whatever it's called on mac) stops working until restart, keyboard type detection gets broken because it thinks my mouse is a keyboard so suddenly " and > are replaced, title bar disappears then the apple logo is halfway off screen when it randomly comes back.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by protonbob »

Snow leopard was my favorite operating system ever. I used it on my first real computer, a horrible Asus eeepc netbook and it worked flawlessly. Best hackintosh I've ever used. Of course I used it on official hardware as well but it brings back fond memories.

https://www.svenbit.com/2011/02/install-hackintosh-on-eeepc-...

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by rickdeckard »

whstl wrote: post #424
syeare wrote: post #343

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The actual argument would be people voting with their wallets and moving away from the Apple ecosystem, but this something impossible at least in the USA due to these bullshit "blue bubbles"

At this point this is not an argument anymore, it’s just a thought terminating cliche. Expecting users to change their daily habits in order to marginally improve the operating system of a trillion dollar company feels naive and a bit disrespectful to people who actually use these machines for work. Even developers… the vast majority of developers ignored Apple for decades (and Apple was also hostile) and it managed…

But the opposite is assuming that Apple has a "responsibility" towards its existing users and has to acknowledge their expectations from them.

A sentiment which famously led Steve Jobs to respond that he doesn't understand this, because "people pay us to make that decision for them" and "If people like our products they will buy them; if they don't, they won't" [0]

So according to Steve Jobs himself, the only Apple-acknowledged way to disagree with Apple is to NOT buy their products, and by extend into the services-world of today it means STOP USING their products.

Now Steve Jobs doesn't officially run this company anymore, but I don't see any indication that this philosophy has changed in any way.

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i5f8bqYYwps&t=772s

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by rollcat »

mystifyingpoi wrote: post #365
joezydeco wrote: post #42

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My group makes a custom executable to reflash a hardware device we produce. We build it for Linux and Darwin. Trying to get the program to work with our Mac users has become harder and harder. These are all internal developers. Enabling developer mode and allowing Terminal execution isn't enough. Disabling the quarantine bit works - sometimes - but now we're getting automated nastygrams from corporate IT threatening…

> emergency workaround I once really urgently needed `nmap` to do some production debugging ASAP. Unfortunately, the security tools would flag this immediately on my machine, as I knew this from previous experiments. Solution - compile my own binary from sources, then quickly rename it. I assume that this "workaround" was totally fine for sec department. At least production got fixed and money kept flowing.

> At least production got fixed and money kept flowing.

You were denied the tools to get your job done. You've put yourself at risk by applying an unapproved workaround.

Never ever do this (unless you hold substantial shares). Let the company's bottom line take the fall. If that's the only thing they care about, that's your only way to make the problem visible.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by SSLy »

Nextgrid wrote: post #548
microtonal wrote: post #390

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Apple's software quality (either in terms of polish or just plain QA) has steadily decreased I think the decline of software went hand-in-hand with the decline of the native indie Mac app. They still exist, but when I started with the Mac (2007), there was a very rich ecosystem of native Mac apps. Most stood head and shoulders above their Linux and Windows counterparts. Apple has nearly destroyed that ecosystem with:…

> 1Password tried SwiftUI for their Mac app 1Password had a beautiful native Mac app that works to this day. Even assuming SwiftUI is actually bad, why did they have to migrate at all? What was wrong with the existing app? I'm not disagreeing with the opinions on Apple software quality, but I think the 1Password case is more down to their taking of VC money and having to give (JS) devs some busywork to rebuild someth…

>What was wrong with the existing app?

It didn't work on Windows and Linux desktops.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by PhilipRoman »

pavel_lishin wrote: post #216
HypnoticOcelot wrote: post #61

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How come you have to use Windows to play Minecraft? Are you using Bedrock edition?

I... think so? Whichever one works with Microsoft Realms, which is the $2/month solution I settled on after somewhat-getting a self hosted server to run for a little bit on my desktop. I figured that I make a six-figure salary as a software developer, I can afford $2/month so that I don't have to fucking become a sysadmin for a game server my child depends on.

I believe both versions of the game support realms, although I haven't tried it.

Re: Apple needs a Snow Sequoia

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Post by chedabob »

cjk wrote: post #286

As a former Apple employee that left in part due to declining software quality (back in 2015!), and the relentless focus on big flashy features for the next yearly release cycle, I could not agree more. I recently had to do a full reinstall of macOS on my Mac Studio due to some intermittent networking issue that, for the life of me, I could not pin down. Post-reinstall, everything's fine.

I don't even know what these big flashy features are anymore. Every year I get asked by staff "Can I upgrade to " and every time I tell them they can, but they won't see anything different. There's not even big architectural changes under the hood to improve stability or performance.

Short of it being a requirement to use the latest version of Xcode (once they bump the minimum in the following Feburary), and security updates stopping, there's been very little reason to actually upgrade.

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