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I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by motorest »

tac19 wrote: post #563
motorest wrote: post #559

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> That's really irrelevant to the point being discussed. The point is following the law. What point do you think it's being discussed?

The point that started my original response. Explaining a new, apparently hypocritical, propensity to trust such government actions. Whether any of us agree with it or not, is irrelevant to the explanation of why it has happened.

> The point that started my original response.

The original response stated the following:

> The new administration has no regards for law. They are breaking multiple laws. This isn't how you get things done.

Your personal perception of hypocrisy is immaterial. OP's point is that this sort of policy is being supported bY rampant abuse and violations of the law and constitution.

If your original argument is how you think something violates the law, how come your high regard for lawlessness disappears as soon as you discuss abusing minorities?

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by Tostino »

pas wrote: post #553
Tostino wrote: post #546

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I've noticed this a ton lately. So, so many posts completely brigaded. Regardless of if the flag is removed, it can easily stop discussion and visibility of the thread. I emailed Dang about it when I first noticed it happening, and the response... ``` Sorry for the delay in getting back to you—it's been a crazy last few days! Users flagged that one. We can only guess why users flag things, but there have been so many…

there's no need to buy old accounts (lol?), there are hundreds of millions of people worldwide who have extremely strong anti-immigration beliefs, who continue to cheer on the Republican-backed express cruelty for whatever reasons, and some of these people are active on HN receipts: - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43413634 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=43413955 - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4…

> there's no need to buy old accounts

There is if you want to do this systematically rather than adhoc.

> there are hundreds of millions of people worldwide who have extremely strong anti-immigration beliefs

Totally understood, and know they are here and will flag things they disagree with while still being a real human.

I wasn't saying that is specifically what's happening with this post. I assume that's more what's happening when posts in /newest are flagged within a few min.

That part was just saying "this really wouldn't be hard to do if anyone put in just a little bit of effort, so I wouldn't be surprised if it was happening".

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by ethbr1 »

aendruk wrote: post #556
poulsbohemian wrote: post #500

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When I went through it years ago, it was mostly about making sure you had all your paperwork in order - had the company sponsoring you provided the relevant information regarding the role and why you were needed, did your resume and experience match at all with the work being performed, etc. Basically I showed up with a list of documents and a very nice border guard looked it over and said welcome to Canada. Each tim…

> Each time I traveled up there for work, the border guards were polite and professional. Each time I traveled home, I got pulled aside […] Interesting, it was the opposite for me, US citizen with CA work permit circa 2016. CBP seemed to not care while CBSA was often irrationally aggressive and suspicious. The closest thing I got to an explanation once after being freed was “We just like you” with a grin.

My experiences with CBSA were pretty bad too.

I was grilled in Vancouver about whether the purpose of my visit was work or pleasure, after I helpfully told the officer that my dad was attending a work conference and I was traveling with him but sightseeing.

"Well which one is it, work or pleasure?!"

I don't know, dude. I just explained the situation: you're supposed to be the expert!

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by neycoda »

fourside wrote: post #543
kragen wrote: post #416

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Possibly because the comment section will inevitably collapse into a partisan flamewar.

This is ironic. I thought there was a big push from the right for less censorship and less moderation in social media. Now we’re flagging posts because the comment section may get heated.

It's amazing how many people don't know how hypocritical and self-serving each side is when it comes to speech and censorship.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by consteval »

iinnPP wrote: post #536
cutemonster wrote: post #503

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I don't think 51% of the readers here need to flag something for it to get flagged - maybe more like 5% or 15%? I guess you can conclude that a few percent here likes Trump etc, but far from a majority

As someone on neither side of that aisle I can tell you it is the smothering effect of attempting any logical discussion in those topics. The smothering effect comes from one side more often than not. The best part of it all is that you can post like the above with no clear side chosen and the people whom it applies to will react to it negatively as well.

In my experience during this last Trump campaign, the most effective way to rile conservatives is not to lie, but rather to tell the truth. Meaning, taking Trump at his word and repeating the words he said, in direct quotes.

I think what's happening is that a lot of his constituents like him due to his personality, but they don't necessarily believe he is honest. So, they're betting on his dishonesty and using that as a justification for their support. Meaning, supporting Trump is really not so bad if you assume Trump isn't going to do half the things he says he is. Then, it's like you're supporting an almost normal candidate.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by ben_w »

kragen wrote: post #487
metabagel wrote: post #427

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Shouldn't be a partisan issue.

While I agree with you, it is observably true that many people take different positions on the issue and then demonize those who disagree with them, converting it into a partisan issue. Another commenter (now deleted) made the claim that, saying an issue shouldn't be partisan is “ just saying ‘everyone should believe what I do’ but in the lexicon of people who look down their nose at the general public. ” They added,…

> They added, "The only nonpartisan issues are the most basic of things that all societies have like "don't murder people" (but even then the minutia become debatable)." Although the comment has been deleted, I think this merits a little further exploration, because there is some truth to it, though I disagree more than I agree.

For example, that time when English people in England didn't count: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Englishry

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by sireat »

I actually spent two days of "quality" time at Otay Mesa detention center (or the male version of it nearby) some 20+ years ago.

I shudder to think what it would be like in the current climate.

I had overstayed my student visa but that was the extent of my crime. For that I had the pleasure of being shackled and bussed from the inland checkpoint (the one on 5 freeway) to the detention center.

The worst part is the uncertainty, once you are at a detention center - you have no idea what/when is something going to happen.

There is no information flow besides my one phone call.

You have to be happy with your daily burritos and then hope you make some friends and no enemies. Weird thing happens to your brain in these type of uncertain places, you sort of dissociate from what is happening to you. Some sort of defense mechanism I suppose.

I mean how do you respond when the boyfriend of the "main" guy at the facility asks "Don't I know you from somewhere?".

In the end I was incredibly lucky - I actually knew a lawyer to call - and that must have helped me. Most of the people inside had been in detention for weeks with only rough knowledge that at some point they would be deported or possibly set free.

So I had my hearing in front of judge some months later and I agreed for "voluntary departure" and 10 year ban.

Since then I am on some sort of blacklist for life.

Each time I've come back to US, I've have had to spend 2-3 hours at CPB interview room, which if you want to hear human misery from around the world is the place to be. There is some sort of queue but it is rather haphazard.

Again you have this incredible uncertainty when you will get out of this room.

Again, I am extremely lucky, I've had very pleasant CPB officers so far and they are either indifferent or sympathetic to my case.

Last time I was simply given passport without explanation after 2 hour wait with no interview at all!

Then again I've only traveled to US when current administration is not aggressively posturing.

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by bobalob »

hobs wrote: post #344
gadders wrote: post #295

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I have worked with (born male) non-binary people who alternate between wearing male and female clothes. I have seen them enter the female toilets, and win awards for women. But tbh, this is a daft question. It's like saying you can't have a policy position on gun control unless someone has shot at you.

Dang you saw a trans person? How many trans people are the equivalent of a loaded weapon? Because that's the completely bonkers question that somehow is being equivocated here - that someone wearing different clothes or identifying differently is a potential harm just waiting to get you... how exactly? Did you deserve the woman only award? Would you assume that identity to get that award? Are you saying that people d…

This article is a good read, it explains why it's problematic to bestow upon men awards that were intended for women: https://www.filia.org.uk/latest-news/2018/9/21/does-the-appa...

Re: I'm the Canadian who was detained by ICE for two weeks

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Post by avgDev »

tac19 wrote: post #539
avgDev wrote: post #532

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The new administration has no regards for law. They are breaking multiple laws. This isn't how you get things done.

That's really irrelevant to the point being discussed. I was just trying to give some context to the apparent hypocrisy the OP had identified, without adding my own opinion about it.

You are talking about uptick in trust due to administration taking steps against illegal immigrants.

How is anyone supposed trust this administration when they constantly lie and break the laws themselves? How is my comment not relevant?

Not that I agree with illegal immigration, however, I want EVERYONE to respect the laws.

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