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Re: Microsoft is killing Skype

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Post by dadoum »

thwarted wrote: post #330
dadoum wrote: post #263

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I don't know for other European countries, but at least I can say that it is not true in France. "Coke" is reserved for cocaine, and cola is the generic word for Coca-Cola-like beverages.

I've heard that the French are strict about language, but what does "reserved" mean here? What do the French call coke¹? ¹ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coke_(fuel) ?

If you say the word coke (\kok\) in front of a Frenchman, they will immediately think of cocaine. Most people aren't aware of the other meaning of coke. They will probably say it's coal (charbon), the technical term being coke (but pronounced \kɔk\) or apparently charbon de terre according to the other comments.

Re: Microsoft is killing Skype

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Post by remir »

basisword wrote: post #414
orev wrote: post #403

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The way Microsoft “won” with Teams was through monopolistic bundling it into Windows and Office. To this day most people don’t like using Teams for chat, but because it’s there by default there’s not a good reason to go through the hassle of bringing on another product.

>> To this day most people don’t like using Teams for chat People will say the same thing about Slack, email, and any other messaging system they are forced to use. People love to complain, especially if they're coming to a product after using a different one at a previous job.

I don't know anyone who prefer Teams over Slack.

Re: Microsoft is killing Skype

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Post by timewizard »

mvdtnz wrote: post #572
timewizard wrote: post #530

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> before Microsoft's corporate hug of death Abuse of the law to buy a competitor, form a monopoly, and then price fix an entire market. It sounds cute when you say "hug of death" almost like they didn't intentionally seek out this precise outcome. > It was also available literally everywhere Funny how that was literally the first thing to get the axe. I guess some "hugs" are like that, huh? > Rest in peace! Justice f…

Monopoly? My god man get a grip.

Thank you for this thorough analysis.

Re: Microsoft is killing Skype

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Post by dumbledoren »

orev wrote: post #403
dkyc wrote: post #200

It's valid to think of this as Microsoft sort of squandering a unique opportunity to become the ubiquitous video conferencing standard by not investing in Skype, back when it had a market-leading position. Another way to look at this is that even though they bungled this, they still managed to become that solution through Teams. Even though they failed to compete with Skype, got leapfrogged by Slack, and then again b…

The way Microsoft “won” with Teams was through monopolistic bundling it into Windows and Office. To this day most people don’t like using Teams for chat, but because it’s there by default there’s not a good reason to go through the hassle of bringing on another product.

And that will last until the regulators start cracking down on that monopoly like they started cracking down on Google...

Re: Microsoft is killing Skype

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Post by remir »

The P2P aspect of Skype was really interesting. I remember there were even physical handsets you could buy that had Skype built-in, which I thought were cool. I remember seeing business cards with Skype username on them also. That's how popular the thing was!

It's honestly baffling how we're still relying on old PSTN/phone numbers to reach people in 2025.

Re: Microsoft is killing Skype

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Post by jcelerier »

soundnote wrote: post #440
dcminter wrote: post #162

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I know, that's my point - branding Lync (thanks for the correction, I forgot the spelling) damaged the Skype brand to no real benefit. I know Teams is fairly pervasive, but that's on the usual Microsoft Enterprise stranglehold, certainly not on Teams' merits or riding the popularity of Skype pre Microsoft.

It's not just the enterprise stranglehold, though that's surely part of it. But Teams, at least today and on Windows, is GOOD. It works well for internal meetings and chat, calls are good, and on the unregistered outsider webinar attendee experience, Teams has just been better than Zoom in my experience. Also, even if you just want to buy Teams, from what I've checked the barebones Teams only packages MS sells for sm…

> But Teams, at least today and on Windows, is GOOD.

I don't remember the last time I had a meeting on teams that didn't include a rant about teams

Re: Microsoft is killing Skype

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Post by fuzztester »

echelon wrote: post #568
kvakerok wrote: post #549

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Pre Microsoft Skype was malware-grade good. I still remember sysadmins imploding in impotent rage as it near effortlessly evaded their firewalling attempts.

2000's era P2P was wickedly good. P2P was such an interesting part of internet history. It's a shame client-server prevailed over it. Decentralized systems are so much more liberating. It felt like being a part of something rather than being a serf in someone's platform.

Jini may be an example:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jini

I remember Bill Venners used to write about it on his site artima.com .

Re: Microsoft is killing Skype

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Post by 1970-01-01 »

echelon wrote: post #568
kvakerok wrote: post #549

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Pre Microsoft Skype was malware-grade good. I still remember sysadmins imploding in impotent rage as it near effortlessly evaded their firewalling attempts.

2000's era P2P was wickedly good. P2P was such an interesting part of internet history. It's a shame client-server prevailed over it. Decentralized systems are so much more liberating. It felt like being a part of something rather than being a serf in someone's platform.

>2000's era P2P was wickedly good.

I think it's only the WWW that went from wickedly good to sour and evil. The P2P world is just as good as it used to be, just not as force-fed and loud as the unhinged hellscape that is Web 2.0. If you look, you will probably find whatever you're looking for with just a DHT link.

Re: Microsoft is killing Skype

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Post by Lammy »

jacobgkau wrote: post #570
Lammy wrote: post #420

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> I just found that logmein actually offer a personal product again, named GoToMyPC I 'member this being advertized on TechTV back in The Day. It's interesting to see the focus on PDAs now that the product category is entirely dead: https://web.archive.org/web/20031209031959/http://www.techtv... …but didn't realize it's quite as old as it is (1998) and had never heard of “ExpertCity”: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Go…

> It's interesting to see the focus on PDAs now that the product category is entirely dead: In the context of screen sharing, I guess smartphones are the evolution of what they meant by "Pocket PC". Sure, the mobile remote desktop use-case is a little niche, but the product class isn't dead, it was just reinvented.

I see them as fundamentally different because PDAs mostly didn't have network connectivity at all, while modern phones are connectivity-first and gained functionality from there. It was novel to have a PDA with a modem that did anything, much less provide connectivity back to one's home computer.

Re: Microsoft is killing Skype

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Post by anacrolix »

1970-01-01 wrote: post #588
echelon wrote: post #568

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2000's era P2P was wickedly good. P2P was such an interesting part of internet history. It's a shame client-server prevailed over it. Decentralized systems are so much more liberating. It felt like being a part of something rather than being a serf in someone's platform.

>2000's era P2P was wickedly good. I think it's only the WWW that went from wickedly good to sour and evil. The P2P world is just as good as it used to be, just not as force-fed and loud as the unhinged hellscape that is Web 2.0. If you look, you will probably find whatever you're looking for with just a DHT link.

This. The tech works and is great. But it's not in the interests of the megacorps that took over from 2008ish onwards.
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