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Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by srid »

digdugdirk wrote: post #570
srid wrote: post #541

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I do not share your fear & anxiety. What concrete danger do you imagine will happen as a result of xAI? Try to be as concrete as possible. Also, dang, is there anything we can do to keep the comments on this submission tech-focused? Perhaps the Elon-bashing political digression can be split into its own thread?

The concrete danger isn't necessarily with xAI (the product) but with Elon being the one who is in control of it. LLMs are an interesting technology, and we should absolutely be investing in pushing our understanding of the technology forward. We should absolutely not be relying on them for the ongoing functioning of our government: https://www.axios.com/2025/02/05/musk-doge-ai-government-eff... Unfortunately, Elon h…

Hmm, I'm only too happy to rephrase my question, then.

What concrete danger do you imagine will happen as a result of xAI being controlled by Elon? Try to be as concrete as possible.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by dionian »

angusturner wrote: post #520

Credit to the engineers that built this, but it fills me with rage that Elon has this sort of unchecked power. How long before this starts getting deployed in safety critical applications or government decision making processes? With no oversight because Elon seems to have the power to dismiss the people responsible for investigating him. Anyone not scared by this concentration of power needs to pick up a book.

It's nothing in comparison to NBC/CBS/ABC/NYT/etc. But still a fair point

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by draxil »

andsoitis wrote: post #34
rich_sasha wrote: post #27

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Doesn’t OpenAI claim their work will lead to artificial general intelligence? That seems like a much steeper gradient to climb. Hype is the fuel that bootstraps fortunes in techtopia.

Yes, but then they also redefined what that means half way through.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by highfrequency »

lionkor wrote: post #330
awongh wrote: post #218

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I absolutely hate the Elon hypetrain, but I also don't understand the social media hate I see for AI, like comparing every ChatGPT answer to one wasted bottle of water. Can we stop for a second and just marvel at a new piece of human ingenuity? Let's not give Elon too much credit, but I think that AI as a whole helps us all understand the nature of intelligence, and therefore humans' place in the universe. One of the…

LLMs don't make me question what we know about humans and thinking. They are really good at convincing us that they're good, but really, that's other humans building stuff to convince us that it's good. There is no intelligence here, other than the perceived intelligence of predicting words intelligent people have written previously.

> There is no intelligence here

Can you list a few demonstrations from a text-outputting computer program that would each convince you that there is intelligence here? Eg writing a bestselling novel, proving an unsolved number theory conjecture, etc. Or is your belief uncontestable?

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by mrbonner »

Have you thought of a future where LLM will be fined tune to target advertisment to you? I mean look at search: first iterations of search were pretty simple in term of ads. Then personalized ads came. I wouldn't help but envision the distopia where the LLM will insert personalized ads based on what you are asking for help.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by KronisLV »

imgabe wrote: post #561
angusturner wrote: post #520

Credit to the engineers that built this, but it fills me with rage that Elon has this sort of unchecked power. How long before this starts getting deployed in safety critical applications or government decision making processes? With no oversight because Elon seems to have the power to dismiss the people responsible for investigating him. Anyone not scared by this concentration of power needs to pick up a book.

There is precisely zero mention of any plan to put xAI or any other LLM in any safety critical or decision making process. How long? Nobody knows because nobody is even considering it. Take your pointless fear mongering elsewhere.

3rd party example: https://arstechnica.com/health/2023/11/ai-with-90-error-rate...

No comment about current US politics, but it’s probably a given that many will read “A computer can never be held accountable, therefore a computer must never make a management decision.” and drop the second part because the first is exactly what they want. Same as how you can’t get in touch with human support on many platforms nowadays, but instead just get useless bot responses.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by Workaccount2 »

namaria wrote: post #179
phtrivier wrote: post #169

Off topic, but just in case: is there a good reference on how people actually use LLMs on a daily basis ? All my attempts so far have been pretty underwhelming: * when I use chatbots as search engines, I'm very quickly disappointed by obvious hallucinations * I ended up disabling github copilot because it was just "auto-complete on steroids" at best, and "auto-complete on mushrooms" at worst * I rarely have use cases…

The only plausible explanation for the amount of resources poured into these language models is the hope that they somehow become the origin of AGI, which I think is pretty fanciful. I can feel the cold wind of the next AI winter coming on. It's inevitable. Computers are good at emulating intelligent behavior, people get excited that it's around the corner, and the hype boils over. This isn't the last time this will…

I think the snag I feel in your argument comes from

>Computers are good at emulating intelligent behavior

Which implies that the brain is some kind of transcendent device that can backdoor physics to output incredible intelligence unique to it's magical structure.

Maybe LLMs aren't the key, but as far as we can tell the brain is also just another computer.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by bobxmax »

latexr wrote: post #490
bobxmax wrote: post #462

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ChatGPT is literally generating billions in revenue. Cursor is the fastest growing company of all time. This lame HN trope of LLMs having no business model needs to die.

> ChatGPT is literally generating billions in revenue. It’s losing more billions than what it’s generating. Revenue does not equate profit. https://www.cnbc.com/2024/09/27/openai-sees-5-billion-loss-t...

As did almost every large tech company today. Amazon lost money for decades.

Are we really still doing this nonsense? If Open AI wanted to become profitable they could do it inside of 12 months - growing companies don't care about profitability (nor should they)

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by bobxmax »

jonlucc wrote: post #534
bobxmax wrote: post #483

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The vast majority of people couldn't care less about open source

If you're paying $200/month for something I can do with open source software and $10/month of compute, why wouldn't I offer you the service for $100/month? And then someone offer it for $50? Not everyone has to know about, understand, or use open source solutions for it to open the field.

If you can do a $200/mo service for $10/mo, the closed source will reduce their prices to $15/mo and beat you

This is just a weird dichotomy you're introducing. Open source will introduce price pressure as any competition will - that doesn't mean you won't have a monopoly.

Re: Grok3 Launch [video]

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Post by InTheArena »

angusturner wrote: post #520

Credit to the engineers that built this, but it fills me with rage that Elon has this sort of unchecked power. How long before this starts getting deployed in safety critical applications or government decision making processes? With no oversight because Elon seems to have the power to dismiss the people responsible for investigating him. Anyone not scared by this concentration of power needs to pick up a book.

Elon's unchecked power at building a model? Or at politics?

I always worry whenever I see people telling me how to feel - rage in this case. We are in a political system that is oriented more around getting people to feel rage and hatred as opposed to consensus and deliberation. Elon is the face of that, but it's a much longer and larger problem. Throw in the complete dismisal that anyone not scared of this is ignorant, shuts down discussion.

The problem I have with Elon is that they are wasting a once in a lifetime chance to actually address and fix systematic problems with the US government. Deploying LLMs in the government space doesn't fear me with dread. Continuing the senseless partisan drive of the 20 years does.

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