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Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by marcosdumay »

linuxhansl wrote: post #523
tialaramex wrote: post #200

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> it's on a country that has been extremely stable before The US is a known bad design, nation builders working for the United States stopped trying to use this design for new countries in the 20th century, it doesn't work. It's inherently unstable and you previously got very lucky, although you have had a civil war and numerous close calls. It's like oh, why don't we make coal-powered cars. Well because it's a known…

While I absolutely do not like what is happening right now, I cannot agree with your general statement. Could you elaborate? The US has proper separation of the executive, legislative, and judicial branches of government. The legislative has a per-state and popular representation. Which part of this is "inherently unstable"? The only part lacking a proper proportional representation (as in a parliament).

The US Executive is way more powerful than the other powers. It can act as it wishes, and consequences only come years later, if ever.

Also, the per-state representation doesn't seem to lead to good results at all. As you said, the popular representation isn't proportional, what is a more relevant flaw than anything before this point on this comment.

And that is before you get into the details that are actually bad. It's incredible that they managed to stay stable with that electoral system, for example.

That said, looks like they will have an almost perfect opportunity to fix some of those in a few years...

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by unethical_ban »

cassepipe wrote: post #376
jeffbee wrote: post #324

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This is not how HN works. There are guidelines and if you fail them you get downvoted or flagged. The moderation is mostly decentralized. By the way: > Don't be snarky. > Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html So while it seems that I am ideologically much more aligned with you, I am still annoy…

Sometimes, bad actors should not be allowed on the site.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by [deleted] »

Xunjin wrote: post #342
justin66 wrote: post #317

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Because why would you want to judge someone by the quality of their ideas?

I beg your pardon? I mean more in that we stop following a personification of an idea and start vote in a project itself. It's more a way for people to start see politics in the medium long term.

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Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by cassepipe »

unethical_ban wrote: post #582
cassepipe wrote: post #376

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This is not how HN works. There are guidelines and if you fail them you get downvoted or flagged. The moderation is mostly decentralized. By the way: > Don't be snarky. > Please don't post comments saying that HN is turning into Reddit. It's a semi-noob illusion, as old as the hills. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html So while it seems that I am ideologically much more aligned with you, I am still annoy…

Sometimes, bad actors should not be allowed on the site.

Not allowed by whom ? On what criteria will you recognize bad actors ? It's not that I don't agree with the sentiment but moderation is a complex problem that has side effects (censorhip). It's like you are saying "There shouldn't be any homeless people", I agree but what is the exact solution ?

So I guess my question to you is what do you think is not working in the current system ? I am arguing that it's working fine: The half crazy person's comments are so faint I can't even read them, or [dead]

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by unethical_ban »

cassepipe wrote: post #584
unethical_ban wrote: post #582

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Sometimes, bad actors should not be allowed on the site.

Not allowed by whom ? On what criteria will you recognize bad actors ? It's not that I don't agree with the sentiment but moderation is a complex problem that has side effects (censorhip). It's like you are saying "There shouldn't be any homeless people", I agree but what is the exact solution ? So I guess my question to you is what do you think is not working in the current system ? I am arguing that it's working fi…

Not allowed by us, we, the community that doesn't trade in bad faith argument.

You have a point that the downvotes and flags do their work. That's pretty much banning. After they call a few more people homophobic slurs or insult their families, they'll probably be shadowbanned.

>On what criteria will you recognize bad actors?

Constant dodging of questions, shifting goalposts with aggressive language, personal insults, and so on. Signalled by being repeatedly downvoted or flagged for such behavior.

We're probably on a similar page, but I am slightly less concerned with censorship. Three week old accounts that have done little but troll have less "plot armor" than established accounts.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by desumeku »

NelsonMinar wrote: post #495
beefnugs wrote: post #397

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Isn't this a worthwhile kick in the pants? No one who actually relies upon real raw data is just downloading a live snapshot from official government hosting on demand are they? Proper data handling procedures is streaming updates, doing your own backups and archiving and sharing where possible and important. Not trusting the everlasting benevolence of whiplash politically controlled resources?

what are you on about? The page that was destroyed was consumer health information about a life-saving preventative medication.

And this was the only website on the internet with information about it? People are going to die because this one website was taken down and there is no other place to possibly read about it?

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by rexpop »

lazide wrote: post #539
rexpop wrote: post #535

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> Hiding people, while it did work for a small number of people, was completely ineffective at stopping the larger holocaust. Ok, that's somewhat goalpost-shifting, because you said "ineffectual," and I showed effect . It satisfies me enough to extrapolate from there. Edit: Are we to believe, then, that you are taking up arms? Or just waiting to see if it gets so bad that you must? Or, don't you think an ounce of civ…

It was clearly ineffectual at stopping the Nazis, yes? It was also ineffectual at meaningfully impeding their efforts (near as I can tell). I did everything I could do in the US without getting arrested. I got large portions of my life destroyed in the process. Talking to people, even people that should know better, was basically just pissing in the wind. I found out years ago that a distant relative of mine (Jewish)…

My Jewish family, too, left Europe. In the 1890s—from Ukraine, they left to evade the Tsar's pogroms—Kropotkin had not yet penned "Mutual Aid". Why that wasn't enough writing on the wall for my Austrian and Polish family, I don't know.

You're right that Nazi Germany fell to the tanks of Liberalism and Bolshevism.

There are so many strange and, to be, baseless assertions in your replies that fear we're simply not going to discover common ground in this venue.

Godspeed.

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by NelsonMinar »

perihelions wrote: post #166

The scope of the scrubbing is broader that datasets. On /r/medicine they're reporting that some treatments guidelines for physicians (100 page+ PDF's) are disappearing, if they're adjacent to the topic of sex: https://old.reddit.com/r/medicine/comments/1iepzln/cdc_has_r... ( "CDC has removed the pages with STI treatment and contraceptive guidelines (self.medicine)" )

Today in the New York Times: C.D.C. scientists ordered to withdraw studies that use terms such as ‘L.G.B.T.’ or ‘pregnant people.’

https://www.nytimes.com/live/2025/02/01/us/trump-tariffs-new...

Re: CDC data are disappearing

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Post by tbugrara »

hackyhacky wrote: post #570
lucb1e wrote: post #534

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In case it helps you to have someone chime in besides the person you're arguing with, "You are not arguing in good faith" applies a lot more to "stop muddying the waters with your buffoonish rhetoric" and "What is this, the X Files? Vague allusions like this don't make you look wise" than to anything the person you're arguing with said. I don't know the answer to the point you're arguing and I can't tell who's right…

I strongly disagree. When someone is wrong, you can correct them. When someone is lying , i.e. knowingly spreading falsehood in an effort to manipulate an audience, it's vitally important to call them out on it. People need to recognize who is using misinformation as a weapon. The points of highlighted are manipulative rhetorical techniques, not merely bad arguments. These people need to be identified and shunned, es…

Consider your own ignorance. It is impossible to be certain of anything because of unknown unknowns. You merely assume they are lying, but you could never prove that.

A righteous condemnation with no proof and all feelings is exactly the soil the grows facism.

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